Transfer Shouts (4 Viewers)

[Deity]

If we are resigned to having to retain one of Waghorn or Walker I think I’d take Waghorn.

based on the footage we have seen so far on tour he looks like he’s a popular member of the group, one of the bigger characters, and probably a better squad member. Add to that his experience then he probably just shades it for me.

This didn’t age well

 

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[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Sell Gyokeres now, Walker & Godden up top - announce promotion

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

Is it really worth binning off Walker and Waghorn just so we can get another 3rd choice striker in on loan? Especially when they both know the squad/staff and would hopefully have a point to prove. Understand if we need to get rid of one to strengthen elsewhere but trading one for Plange on loan as has been mooted seem like a bit of a waste of time.

 

[rexo87]

Is it really worth binning off Walker and Waghorn just so we can get another 3rd choice striker in on loan? Especially when they both know the squad/staff and would hopefully have a point to prove. Understand if we need to get rid of one to strengthen elsewhere but trading one for Plange on loan as has been mooted seem like a bit of a waste of time.

Completely agree. Especially with Tavares in the wings as well

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[SlowerThanPlatt]

Adam Armstrong available for loan out by Southampton. Any takers?

Seen that earlier, doesn’t work out for every Championship superstar. Least he’ll always have his place in the Championship HoF with Dwight Gayle

 

[CCFC54321]

Is it really worth binning off Walker and Waghorn just so we can get another 3rd choice striker in on loan? Especially when they both know the squad/staff and would hopefully have a point to prove. Understand if we need to get rid of one to strengthen elsewhere but trading one for Plange on loan as has been mooted seem like a bit of a waste of time.

Yes is my opinion. Walker scoring two goals in a pre season friendly won’t convince me he is good or has the ability over a season to be first choice forward in the championship.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Looks like we've missed out on another possible target for some on here...

<edit> Embedding the link doesn't work. <tl/dr> Jack Wilshire has retired from football, aged 30.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62094173

Been on Talksport more and more recently with some hot takes. Not a natural, think he’s aiming to be the next Jamie O’Hara

 

[WGABSOOS]

Yes is my opinion. Walker scoring two goals in a pre season friendly won’t convince me he is good or has the ability over a season to be first choice forward in the championship.

We don't need him to be first choice. We are saying he is more than adequate as a third choice ahead of a kid from the Premier league

 

[skyblue025]

Vik and Armstrong would be a tasty partnership. Probably way out of our price range though.

 

[JonesBob]

Yes is my opinion. Walker scoring two goals in a pre season friendly won’t convince me he is good or has the ability over a season to be first choice forward in the championship.

He is not trying to convince you or I, he is trying to convince himself and the coaching team. We are not looking at a first team starter as we have Vik and Godden, we need a good back up and I believe the players we currently have are good enough. Walker is a confidence player, as we all know and the great thing is his team mates are helping him. As for Waghorn he has always been a favourite of mine since he was a younger player and I know he can do the business. He is also a motivater and he can see how he encourages his team mates and younger players.

 

[CCFC54321]

He is not trying to convince you or I, he is trying to convince himself and the coaching team. We are not looking at a first team starter as we have Vik and Godden, we need a good back up and I believe the players we currently have are good enough. Walker is a confidence player, as we all know and the great thing is his team mates are helping him. As for Waghorn he has always been a favourite of mine since he was a younger player and I know he can do the business. He is also a motivater and he can see how he encourages his team mates and younger players.

I hope he isn’t trying to convince you or I. I hope he’s trying to convince robins and vivesh that he intends to turn his career around. I doubt personally he can or will do that but would be pleased if he does.

 

[slowpoke]

It’s likely Walker is on our books for another 12 months I’m not his biggest fan for me he has never really fitted our system of play but he is decent enough to be part of our squad third/fourth choice for a season, if he starts banging goals in in the friendlies and improves his team play that will be a bonus or someone might come in and take him on loan again his wage is already factored in to our budget so although it could be used elsewhere that’s how it is for now same situation with Waghorn really still time one or both could move on my guess there will be a lot of loan movement in the EFL up to 1st of September.

 

[WGABSOOS]

It’s likely Walker is on our books for another 12 months I’m not his biggest fan for me he has never really fitted our system of play but he is decent enough to be part of our squad third/fourth choice for a season, if he starts banging goals in in the friendlies and improves his team play that will be a bonus or someone might come in and take him on loan again his wage is already factored in to our budget so although it could be used elsewhere that’s how it is for now same situation with Waghorn really still time one or both could move on my guess there will be a lot of loan movement in the EFL up to 1st of September.

So if walker scores goals you want us to offload him to sign someone who is probably less experienced and is a gamble? Makes sense...

 

[Block 19]

Apparently a lot of championship teams are in for Manchester United's left back Alvaro Fernandez. Expected to be available on loan after they signed Tyrell Malacia

 

[Deity]

I’m genuinely surprised in this leaky world we live in that we have 3 loans lined up, possibly to be announced this week, and with exception of the Palace left back, we don’t have a single name to debate.

 

[Hobo]

I do get the point that if we're not going to use him as first choice, though, he's using up budget inefficiently.

The trouble is, whoever we bring in to improve the squad at this level will command a higher wage than what we have been used to.

If you have a competitive squad and our philosophy of you stick with a winning team. It is inevitable some high earners won't always be getting a game.

With everyone fit certain players will look like expensive deadwood. Especially on a limited budget. But throw in a few injuries and they will seem essential strength amd depth.

 

[slowpoke]

So if walker scores goals you want us to offload him to sign someone who is probably less experienced and is a gamble? Makes sense...

Where have I said that, don’t make things up it was just an analysis of what might happen I have doubts Walker will jump over Gyokeres or Godden on the striker pecking order but if he does a bonus.

 

[Skybluedownunder]

So if walker scores goals you want us to offload him to sign someone who is probably less experienced and is a gamble? Makes sense...

Completely agree with you. I’d rather have Walker who’s got a history of knowing where the net is than this Plange lad that I know nothing about and is only 19.
When the goals dried up last year when Gyokeres stopped scoring and Godden was injured Walker chipped in and got a few goals. Start of the season Waghorn looked pretty good and people thought he was the reason Gyokeres was in fine form.
While it’s not perfect… get all four match fit for the start of the season and I think they could do a job. I guess it’s just trying to keep them fit as the season goes on if they aren’t playing.
I really think Tavares needs to go out on loan, sitting on the bench for us all season is only going to hamper his development, he’s 22 now he needs to go out and play and prove himself in mens leagues till Jan. Then if Walker & Waghorn don’t play and lose their match fitness then they can go out on loan for the second half of the season but I’d rather start the season with the experience


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[Skybluedownunder]

Apparently a lot of championship teams are in for Manchester United's left back Alvaro Fernandez. Expected to be available on loan after they signed Tyrell Malacia

Nobody has yet took that Emmanuel Longelo from West Ham on loan yet. Been linked with bigger clubs than us on loan and I think Rangers would want him if they lose Bassey but he’s be definitely someone of interest


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[fatso]

Is it really worth binning off Walker and Waghorn just so we can get another 3rd choice striker in on loan? Especially when they both know the squad/staff and would hopefully have a point to prove. Understand if we need to get rid of one to strengthen elsewhere but trading one for Plange on loan as has been mooted seem like a bit of a waste of time.

Walker is 32, and currently third choice (at best) for a team that occasionally only plays 1 upfront. By the end of this season he could very easily find himself fourth or even fifth choice, and yet he is supposedly one of the higher earners.
Personally I'd sooner off load him for free and utilise the wage to bring in someone who will actually compete for a starting place in an area of the pitch where we need strengthening.

 

[slowpoke]

Walker is 32, and currently third choice (at best) for a team that occasionally only plays 1 upfront. By the end of this season he could very easily find himself fourth or even fifth choice, and yet he is supposedly one of the higher earners.
Personally I'd sooner off load him for free and utilise the wage to bring in someone who will actually compete for a starting place in an area of the pitch where we need strengthening.

I think you meant Waghorn, but get what you mean, we have signed a young centre- forward from Wigan and there’s this Cashman, squads evolve all the time some come good some don’t at our level there are always hopefuls & gambles.

 

[skybluegod]

Allen stayed, worked hard, and has become an average squad player on probably a fairly modest salary. Walker was meant to be one of our best strikers who was signed for a handsome fee (for us) and has bumbled around before going on loan and failing massively there at a lower level.

I am not saying he cannot turn it around, and I know you love Walker, but the two players aren't really comparable the way you think you are.

They are comparable for the level we are now at.

People often forget walker was our top goalscorer in his first season here, before last year at Portsmouth his scoring record at lower levels was good.

I'm not saying he is going to be first choice. But I'm not sure why people think we are going to be able to get someone significantly better as a 3rd choice striker on less wages when we are now a more established 2nd tier side. The wages he is on are still mediocre at best for the level.

I don't love walker, in fact I don't think any player is beyond selling/replacing and if we can upgrade then we should. But if course I do think there is potential there, and I want him to do well, but I just don't think there is going to be many players out there that we could afford that would be an upgrade (at least not on a permanent contract).

 

[Liquid Gold]

Nome Inventado is one to watch so I hear.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Nixon reporting Burnley have moved on from O’Hare, that’s now him and Hamer who clubs don’t think are worth the money. Which leaves Gyokeres if we need to sell someone as skybluebeliever has said

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

I think you meant Waghorn, but get what you mean, we have signed a young centre- forward from Wigan and there’s this Cashman, squads evolve all the time some come good some don’t at our level there are always hopefuls & gambles.

I doubt the two you mentioned will be near the first team

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Nixon reporting Burnley have moved on from O’Hare, that’s now him and Hamer who clubs don’t think are worth the money. Which leaves Gyokeres if we need to sell someone as skybluebeliever has said

This is good news right?

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Apparently a lot of championship teams are in for Manchester United's left back Alvaro Fernandez. Expected to be available on loan after they signed Tyrell Malacia

Alvaro Fernandez hasn’t gone on tour with Man United which could mean a loan move in the offing. Incidentally Maatsen hasn’t gone with Chelsea either

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

This is good news right?

At the moment yes but that price will come crumbling down when nobody wants to buy them

 

[SleepyGinger]

Problem with OHare and Hamer is their contract runs out in 2024 so won’t get as good money for them next summer.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Problem with OHare and Hamer is their contract runs out in 2024 so won’t get as good money for them next summer.

Or they’ll get us promoted and sign longer deals?

Come on folks! Blind optimism/Delusion is our friend!

 

[slowpoke]

Problem with OHare and Hamer is their contract runs out in 2024 so won’t get as good money for them next summer.

If O’Hare scores the number of goals he should plus assists we’d get double well Joy would

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Another suggestion for this young centre back is Di’shon Bernard of Man United, was at Hull last season, would be achievable loan to permanent too given he’s 21 and probably not going to make it there.

The obligatory video calling him the future of football with loud music

This guy and Teden Mengi both defenders haven’t gone on tour with Man United too with loan moves in the offing

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

If we keep 2 (or even 3) of the big 'uns, I'll be very happy. Then we can get £20m for Ben Sheaf next summer!

 

[slowpoke]

Was Bernard at Hull from January or before Hull certainly improved second half of the season.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Was Bernard at Hull from January or before Hull certainly improved second half of the season.

Whole season