Sky Blue Pete
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Your comment was amusing at dreamer. Any more so than any other party ? Probably not no. That’s not to say it wasn’t sub human. It was but so is killing another person because they were born in a different country
Your comment was amusing at dreamer. Any more so than any other party ? Probably not no. That’s not to say it wasn’t sub human. It was but so is killing another person because they were born in a different countryout of interest Pete as you find it amusing would you agree the Japanese culture and behaviour in the war was the very definition of sub human
Oh please - Peters inference was the us treated them as such and given their barbarism especially in the previous battles in China where they condemned hundreds of thousands of women to enslavement and systematic rape, chemical and some form of germ warfare and then acts of degradation and destruction on all their enemies it’s not my understanding of humanity. yet of course on good old SBT it’s the western cultures behaviour in the war that is more scrutinised as some kind of racially motivated attack and none of this gets a mentionDescribing Japanese culture as “sub human” sounds……pretty racist to me?
Your comment was amusing at dreamer. Any more so than any other party ? Probably not no. That’s not to say it wasn’t sub human. It was but so is killing another person because they were born in a different country
Oh please - Peters inference was the us treated them as such and given their barbarism especially in the previous battles in China where they condemned hundreds of thousands of women to enslavement and systematic rape, chemical and some form of germ warfare and then acts of degradation and destruction on all their enemies it’s not my understanding of humanity. yet of course on good old SBT it’s the western cultures behaviour in the war that is more scrutinised as some kind of racially motivated attack and none of this gets a mention
Well I don’t think Pete’s inference was something he was looking for people on here to agree with in the year 2022, but ok.
The suggestion that Japanese war crimes = Japanese culture is pretty weird too. But more than anything find it bizarre that in a thread discussing war crimes, the holocaust and the like, you’ve got people casually dismissing entire cultures as sub-human without any sense of irony.
Truly awful isn't it. I knew they committed some atrocities. I didn't realise it was THAT bad.
Fear for a real escalation now they've refused to surrender the city.
What doesn’t an escalation look like? It’s truly horrific already isn’t it? You would think there’d be a way for the world community to agree a way of getting the tens of thousands of civilians out of the cityFear for a real escalation now they've refused to surrender the city.
Cynic in me wonders whether Ukranian leadership is "hoping" an escalation in civilian atrocities in Mariupol may push West/Allies into some sort of action.
The West have been stupid but ruling out any military intervention. I'm not saying they should intervene but taking the notion of a no fly zone off and removed any threat and a potential bargaining chip.What doesn’t an escalation look like? It’s truly horrific already isn’t it? You would think there’d be a way for the world community to agree a way of getting the tens of thousands of civilians out of the city
The West have been stupid but ruling out any military intervention. I'm not saying they should intervene but taking the notion of a no fly zone off and removed any threat and a potential bargaining chip.
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Yes, it does. I'm not saying do it, but just not take it off the table, even if you have no intention to do it.Sounds like the precursor to WWIII putting a no-fly zone up.
Yes, it does. I'm not saying do it, but just not take it off the table, even if you have no intention to do it.
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Equally it could have meant Russia decided to act differently. Hindsight is only good after an event isn’t it? I can’t believe the international community can’t step in for civiliansThe West have been stupid but ruling out any military intervention. I'm not saying they should intervene but taking the notion of a no fly zone off and removed any threat and a potential bargaining chip.
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If we want some irony I thought I’d look at responses to the article by Mr Paris
The article was pretty lame. However it seems the woke mob have moved on him. They’ve done their research - Tory wanker, Tory brexit racist tosser, Tory Nazi
A minuscule of research would show all that to be ironic indeed
I mean, literally no-one asked, but I’m sure “Mr Paris” is glad you’re jumping to his defence on here.
What’s more worrying is your refusal to acknowledge how disgraceful it is to call an entire culture “sub human” based on the actions of its military. I’m sure you’d be rightfully appalled if someone tried to say the same about Israel and Jewish culture - it’s attempts like that to dehumanise an entire race of people which typically precede atrocities like the Holocaust, and it’s shocking that you would casually use that language today.
Of course I’m sure you’re not actually a raving ethno-fascist lunatic - I’m happy to delete this post if you just admit your language was careless and apologise, which I assume won’t be a problem for you, but it’s important to call that language out even if it was used accidentally.
grow up
I think you nail it. The defence for genocide is always made in the minds of the transgressor by saying they are something less than us. That was all I was suggesting about the second atomic bomb and holocaust. The planning and sheer number of people killed makes it a horror on a different level but the base is thinking of another group as something less than human. I suppose pro lifers would say the same way most of society treats the unbornI mean, literally no-one asked, but I’m sure “Mr Paris” is glad you’re jumping to his defence on here.
What’s more worrying is your refusal to acknowledge how disgraceful it is to call an entire culture “sub human” based on the actions of its military. I’m sure you’d be rightfully appalled if someone tried to say the same about Israel and Jewish culture - it’s attempts like that to dehumanise an entire race of people which typically precede atrocities like the Holocaust, and it’s shocking that you would casually use that language today.
Of course I’m sure you’re not actually a raving ethno-fascist lunatic - I’m happy to delete this post if you just admit your language was careless and apologise, which I assume won’t be a problem for you, but it’s important to call that language out even if it was used accidentally.
Are there any other cultures you find sub human then, or is it just the Japanese?
I think you nail it. The defence for genocide is always made in the minds of the transgressor by saying they are something less than us. That was all I was suggesting about the second atomic bomb and holocaust. The planning and sheer number of people killed makes it a horror on a different level but the base is thinking of another group as something less than human. I suppose pro lifers would say the same way most of society treats the unborn
So are you saying history isn't written and consequences decided by the victors?do you honestly believe this tripe? Why do you even type it only Pete seems to read it
Escalation can take many forms particularly in the type of weapons used and general rules of engagement.What doesn’t an escalation look like? It’s truly horrific already isn’t it? You would think there’d be a way for the world community to agree a way of getting the tens of thousands of civilians out of the city
i don’t I think the Japanese culture today is extremely admirable
So are you saying history isn't written and consequences decided by the victors?
Also, how do you know it's tripe if only Pete reads it?
I've not said the Japanese actions weren't utterly despicable. They were, and not just in that conflict.Oh please - Peters inference was the us treated them as such and given their barbarism especially in the previous battles in China where they condemned hundreds of thousands of women to enslavement and systematic rape, chemical and some form of germ warfare and then acts of degradation and destruction on all their enemies it’s not my understanding of humanity. yet of course on good old SBT it’s the western cultures behaviour in the war that is more scrutinised as some kind of racially motivated attack and none of this gets a mention
Very progressive of you! Any other cultures today you find to be sub human? Or is it only people from 75 years ago who you didn’t consider to be fully human?
I've not said the Japanese actions weren't utterly despicable. They were, and not just in that conflict.
Your argument was that the atomic bombs were justified because they brought about a quicker end to the war (something which is likely true but subjective as to how long it would have gone on for and the number of people that would've died as a result).
I'm saying that the first bomb would have been enough to bring about that early end to the war, and all that was needed was to threaten another for them to cave. So the second bomb actually did nothing in expediating the end of the war and thus civilians were killed needlessly.
Just for context, how many nuclear bombs to bring about an early end of the war would you have thought was justified? If they'd dropped three, four, five would that have been fine? If these bombs supposedly saved millions of lives by bringing the war to an early close surely as long as less than millions are killed then it's fine? Why was one not enough and two just the right amount? If Russia used horrific weapons that caused the Ukrainian resistance to give up, thus ending the war and saving loads of people from dying in a drawn out conflict, would that be acceptable?
I've tried the earning loads of money - found it totally unfulfilling.Oh I know because you literally bring every discussion into some anti capitalist and anti west claptrap
The US is the glue that holds this planet together and capitalism and western democracy is utopia yo any alternative - your constant lengthy diatribes are boring and convince no one so why waste your energy. Why not spend your time earning as much money as you can (as unlike some of the sheep on here you clearly are far from stupid) then you can real better rewards and that bitterness will soon melt away
Its hardly progressive it’s a statement of fact. They considered themselves to be below another human (their great leader) and behaved accordingly
I did find your “I’ll delete my post if you apologise” funny though. I mean that really made me worried
To be honest Japanese culture outside of the military is not healthy. There are some real desperate people in that country.Very progressive of you! Any other cultures today you find to be sub human? Or is it only people from 75 years ago who you didn’t consider to be fully human?
In your opinion. The documentary I watched just made that point so it’s clearly a well known and articulated opinion. There was dissent from the Vice President to using the weapon at the timeit was nothing to do with that - the bombs were seen as a solution to save lives - it was nothing to do with what you say at all.
Looking back and analysing decision-making is always different from the decision-making at the time.In your opinion. The documentary I watched just made that point so it’s clearly a well known and articulated opinion. There was dissent from the Vice President to using the weapon at the time
YeahThe racism was rife on both sides. The US had cartoons portraying the Japanese as rats with buck teeth, slitty eyes, straw hair and thick glasses that they used to show before movies in cinemas and put the image on posters. The caricature of the Japanese (and other Asians for that matter) still prevalent in Hollywood well into the 60’s and 70’s where you would see a white actor playing someone from the Far East with a yellow fake tan, straw hair, buck teeth etc etc.
The Japanese thought that everyone was below them and the emperor was a Devine being.
Big difference between them is that the Japanese (much like the Germans) seem to have for the most part learned the lessons of WW2. Unlike the victors. The price of victory I guess.
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