Now they are fighting over Chernobyl with the Russians trying to seize the power plant.
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I think it's just north of Kyiv so on the route down from Belarus and is a fairly big area. Not necessarily fighting over the plant just the plant and exclusion zone being in the way.
(In all seriousness, I don’t understand what Russia would want with this)
it's just over the border from belarusI think it's just north of Kyiv so on the route down from Belarus and is a fairly big area. Not necessarily fighting over the plant just the plant and exclusion zone being in the way.
Putin was supportive of UK Brexit and let's hope this division between us and Europe doesn't hamper a coordinated response. NATO needs to take strong action and let's hope Bonking Boris gets his act together as his half hearted threat of economic sanctions was utterly embarrassing. Shameful day.
that’s it Charles it’s all down to brexit
On the contrary, I think they care very much, and Putin has spent years preparing their economy for this precise eventuality. They've built up huge reserves to try and operate an economy that has been trying to westernize for decades, but could soon be largely cut off from the west. It's a bold experiment, but one that is likely to fail.
The "underwhelming" reaction (as @Grendel put it) on the Russian markets (I'm talking currency, equity and bond markets) has been devastating, and that's in the space of a few hours. The ruble is at a record low, shares have collapsed, and Russian access to dollars is only going to get harder as new sanctions come in. This is going to result in massive hardship for ordinary Russian people over the next few months, as well as massive inconvenience, financial losses and status shocks for Russian oligarchs. Putin doesn't have to listen to any of them, but he does have to hope he can wrap up his military conquests before they start making him seriously question his own job security. He wouldn't be the first Russian leader to be taken out by his own elites, and Putin knows his history.
Not all down to Brexit, but only an idiot could argue that destabilising the EU hasn't been Putin's objective for a long time.
All those 'patriots' doing Russia's bidding, eh.
The Russia Report — who paid for Brexit? | TheArticle
£8.4 million — it was the biggest ever political donation in British history, and made by an insurance salesman made ...www.thearticle.com
And all that Russian money flowing into the Tory party too. Awkward.
Putin is pretty much using Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics as a checklist. Separating the UK from Europe was just one item on the list to check off as is annexing Ukraine.
that’s it Charles it’s all down to brexit
What are you on about. Corbyn isn't, and never has been, PM or Foreign Secretary. What he does or doesn't want to do makes absolutely no difference to anything.
Ah! The Putin apologist returns!
Something you once again got wrong.
Bit like chap, constantly getting things wrong.
In fact, are we absolutely sure Grendel isn't Farage? Maybe that picture in his avatar is hiding in plain sight...?
I never mentioned the Russian markets - Putin doesn’t care about his own markets he doesn’t care about the welfare of his own people who doesn’t care about anything but his moment in history
Falklands effect. Nationalism (patriotism rather than any far right ideology) is a very powerful factor in most East European countries. Most independent media had been closed in Russia so media very much Govt controlled.This is an interesting article. Not necessarily the approval rating stuff but Russians views on Ukraine and the war further down.
Putin’s public approval is soaring during the Russia-Ukraine crisis, but it’s unlikely to last
Approximately 69% of Russians approve of President Vladimir Putin. But a costly war is likely to chip away at his popularity, history and data tell us.theconversation.com
Which markets were you originally referring to then? The reaction worldwide has been pretty stark. I get the feeling your only market expertise is at Wellesbourne.
How this thread becomes a rerun of Brexit is most strange? One UK remains a major factor in NATO. Two don't think Putin would have had 2nd thoughts if UK was still part of EU
What was the reason for 2014 then and also 2008? How did that happen with a United EU?
there isn’t an EU army there is a thing called nato
Also of course as Mr Corbyn has re-emphasised this is nato aggression not Russian so that was the political alternative you had at the last election - somewhat more destabilising methinks
it’s embarrassing I think some think we have an eU army
Falklands effect. Nationalism (patriotism rather than any far right ideology) is a very powerful factor in most East European countries. Most independent media had been closed in Russia so media very much Govt controlled.
How this thread becomes a rerun of Brexit is most strange? One UK remains a major factor in NATO. Two don't think Putin would have had 2nd thoughts if UK was still part of EU
Get over yourself mate, even Corbyn has said this is wrong, stop trying to deflect from the utter and well documented corruption of the people actually in charge now.
Who was in charge in this country in 2014, when Crimea was annexed?
I'll answer for you, Tories.
What did they do?
Fuck all.
Ukraine crisis: UK warns Russia over Crimean incursion
Russia will face diplomatic, political and economic pressures over its actions in the Ukraine, David Cameron says.www.bbc.co.uk
Patriots my fucking arse, you can bang on about Corbyn all day long but the Tory party are as bent as a nine-bob note, especially when it comes to Russian 'donations'.
That weakness and corruption is still at the heart of this Government, stop hiding behind "but Corbyn".
I mean, surely a scheduled Debate on Palestine is an appropriate time to discuss Palestine?oh dear you seem embarrassed for voting for Red Jezza
Jeremy Corbyn backs criticism of Britain for 'provocative' role in Russia-Ukraine crisis
The former Labour leader also called on the Government to oppose any further expansion of Nato eastwardswww.telegraph.co.uk
Still his friends at Hamas seem most on his mind at the minute
I don't think this has got anything to do with Brexit, but two of Putins biggest cheer leaders in this country were also two of Brexits biggest, Farage and Galloway.
How this thread becomes a rerun of Brexit is most strange? One UK remains a major factor in NATO. Two don't think Putin would have had 2nd thoughts if UK was still part of EU
I’m referring to the international markets which have hardly been devastated have they. Putin could not care less about his own currency - the Russian people are used to poverty and destitution - look at what happened in the early 90’s and yet they still remained loyal to the leadership
It's not all about Brexit, but weakening the relationship with a major contributor to NATO, the UK, and the rest of its European neighbours obviously was a strategic aim for Russia. What may have surprised Putin is how strong the bonds still are.
Putin would definitely have had second thoughts if the reaction to the Crimean annexation had been firmer - that's not just on the UK, but we hardly covered ourselves in glory.
That’s because oddly on Russian policy they have an identical view on Russia ti the last labour leader which many here wanted in power so the moral indignation is very hard to stomach
Are you sure about that?
French and German stocks down 4%
Major European banks down 10% or more
Sterling with its biggest fall in two years
Major US indices either in correction or bear market territory
Eastern European markets with their worst day in two years
Russian benchmark index down as much as 50%
Gazprom loses a third of its value
But other than that….
Is ‘Putin doesn’t care about the markets’ going to be your new ‘People don’t care about Downing St parties’?
Grendel won't be happy.
His idol Boris has just announced further sanctions.
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