Grendel
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So what do we teach them?
I just don’t get this. “Particularly terrible”. What are you so defensive about? Don’t need to teach kids that we were the worst, we don’t have to compare anything. Just have to educate them about it…good bad and ugly. Why is that so bad and why do you automatically resort to whatabouttery?
Yeah you’re right, I did. Apologies.I think you’ve mistaken me for someone else
Yeah you’re right, I did. Apologies.
There you go, if wars were as simple.Yeah you’re right, I did. Apologies.
Not sure why this thread continues to conflate being taught about atrocities and apologising for them, but since you mention it there have indeed been several modern-day apologies for Viking raids and the Spanish inquisition from Scandinavian/Spanish/Catholic officials.
Fact is we were the Nazis before the Nazis were.
My guess is…exactly what we were taught. Nothing. It’s offered as a minor at today‘s Universities. For those who don’t do Media Studies.You do keep mentioning the same thing but I’ve asked several people on here what is taught in schools now about the empire and no one has an answer
All we have is Tony in the 80’s at some theme park dressed as a Victorian chanting the Empire is great
Sounds like made up bollocks to me
As did the Spanish in South America. Unforgivable, unfortunate and wrongHow about The Killing Times period in Australian history? The empire spent over 100 years deliberately trying to eradicate the aboriginal people again hunting men, women and children. It took another 100 years for the aboriginal population to recover we were that successful in that crusade.
In the GCSE and A-level History syllabuses you might encounter:You do keep mentioning the same thing but I’ve asked several people on here what is taught in schools now about the empire and no one has an answer
All we have is Tony in the 80’s at some theme park dressed as a Victorian chanting the Empire is great
Sounds like made up bollocks to me
My guess is…exactly what we were taught. Nothing.
The government rejected teaching about colonialism and the slave trade as recently as 2021 following a petition stemming from the BLM protests. The excuse was that it would lower standards. Make of that what you will. Corbyn was also roundly lambasted for suggesting that we teach it while opposition leader.My guess is…exactly what we were taught. Nothing.
Tony is a tad out of Top Dead Centre metaphorically speaking.I mean this is really the crux of the matter and it’s vile offensive drivel even by Tony’s standards
The government rejected teaching about colonialism and the slave trade as recently as 2021 following a petition stemming from the BLM protests. The excuse was that it would lower standards. Make of that what you will.
Hmmm. Don’t think so. Take a look here especially under ‘Unit 3’.The government rejected teaching about colonialism and the slave trade as recently as 2021 following a petition stemming from the BLM protests. The excuse was that it would lower standards. Make of that what you will.
Hmmm. Don’t think so. Take a look here especially under ‘Unit 3’.
AS and A Level - History A - H105, H505 - OCR
OCR AS and A Level History A (from 2015) qualification information including specification, exam materials, teaching resources, learning resourceswww.ocr.org.uk
So you’re saying if you take history as an option in the final 2 years of your education there’s a chance that in 2015 you might learn something about the empire. Hardly compulsory learning is it and it doesn’t change the fact that schools minister Nick Gibb did say in 2021 that there would be no compulsory teaching about empire and the slave trade as it would lower standards.Hmmm. Don’t think so. Take a look here especially under ‘Unit 3’.
AS and A Level - History A - H105, H505 - OCR
OCR AS and A Level History A (from 2015) qualification information including specification, exam materials, teaching resources, learning resourceswww.ocr.org.uk
*sigh* Here's a GCSE one then.So you’re saying if you take history as an option in the final 2 years of your education there’s a chance that in 2015 you might learn something about the empire. Hardly compulsory learning is it and it doesn’t change the fact that schools minister Nick Gibb did say in 2021 that there would be no compulsory teaching about empire and the slave trade as it would lower standards.
So you’re saying if you take history as an option in the final 2 years of your education there’s a chance that in 2015 you might learn something about the empire. Hardly compulsory learning is it and it doesn’t change the fact that schools minister Nick Gibb did say in 2021 that there would be no compulsory teaching about empire and the slave trade as it would lower standards.
Before he tries to argue that we cover it up at Key Stage 3:When did you give up on history at school Tony
To be fair I think he's just relating it to this country because that's where we are. I'm sure he feels every other country, like Spain, France, Dutch etc should also offer a rounded view on their past and show both the good and bad.Still not equivalent to the Holocaust. You won’t convince me the British are the the most evil people to walk the Earth. Sorry. We did what everyone was doing. Spain, Turkey,Netherlands, Norway, France, China, India, all have these sorts of stories in their past. Because that’s what everyone did in war in the past. These are not the same as trying to exterminate the Jews.
Do you think Norwegian kids are guilt tripped over Viking pillages? Spanish kids wracked with guilt about the inquisition?
Can you honestly not see the difference with the rise of fascism is early 20th century Germany and Britains history of colonialism? Do you really think in 2023 they should be treated the same?
I didn’t do history at GCSE (not sure if this is mandatory now) and I’ve said a few times it might have changed…although a conversation with my younger siblings would indicate not, but I did not learn anything about the America’s, Australia, South Africa, India.What do we teach people about the Empire Tony in schools out of interest?
I didn’t do history at GCSE (not sure if this is mandatory now) and I’ve said a few times it might have changed…although a conversation with my younger siblings would indicate not, but I did not learn anything about the America’s, Australia, South Africa, India.
I learnt a lot about European history and the transatlantic slave trade, including some very graphic videos of the story of Kunta Kinte which was powerful.
i didn't. So at the very least some consistency wouldn't hurtAs I’ve said I learnt about south Africa and the uk concentration camp ideology and its “employment” of Chinese slaves
Before he tries to argue that we cover it up at Key Stage 3:
So again optional not mandatory
Quick question. What percentage of school children attend a free school or academy?Before he tries to argue that we cover it up at Key Stage 3:
You clearly don’t want to answer that so I’ll answer it for you, 40% at primary level and 80% at secondary level.Quick question. What percentage of school children attend a free school or academy?
You clearly don’t want to answer that so I’ll answer it for you, 40% at primary level and 80% at secondary level.
Follow up question that you probably also won’t want to answer. Are free schools and academy’s mandated to follow the curriculum you posted?
I laughed because most state schools will use the national curriculum as the basis for planning their own schemes of work. And yes GCSE History is an optional subject, but it’s a very popular one nationally and so in the process pretty much every child will learn something of Empire in KS3 while about 300,000 a year will study it further in KS4.You clearly don’t want to answer that so I’ll answer it for you, 40% at primary level and 80% at secondary level.
Follow up question that you probably also won’t want to answer. Are free schools and academy’s mandated to follow the curriculum you posted?
I laughed because most state schools will use the national curriculum as the basis for planning their own schemes of work. And yes GCSE History is an optional subject, but it’s a very popular one nationally and so in the process pretty much every child will learn something of Empire in KS3 while about 300,000 a year will study it further in KS4.
You seem to forget that one of us has worked in schools for the last 7 years.
So you’re saying that it’s not mandatory to teach the majority of children in schools about the slave trade and the negative sides of colonisation and empire. Thank you for the clarification.Here’s one for you: how many don’t?
For context in ten years I only ever taught in academies and free schools. I never taught in a school that didn’t follow the national curriculum for main subjects. Mostly they just fanny about with Business or RE.
So you’re saying that it’s not mandatory to teach the majority of children in schools about the slave trade and the negative sides of colonisation and empire. Thank you for the clarification.
Only 40% of children take up history as an option for GCSE’s don’t they? Don’t sound that popular to me. It’s certainly far from the mandatory teaching of the negatives of empire you’re trying to argue is mandatory with your links that say suggested not statutory at the top of every list.I laughed because most state schools will use the national curriculum as the basis for planning their own schemes of work. And yes GCSE History is an optional subject, but it’s a very popular one nationally and so in the process pretty much every child will learn something of Empire in KS3 while about 300,000 a year will study it further in KS4.
You seem to forget that one of us has worked in schools for the last 7 years.
I never claimed it was mandatory. I claimed it was actively taught, which it is. Also outside of English and Maths, most of the other subjects are optional at GCSE. Personally I think more science should also be mandatory, it isn’t. C’est la vie.Only 40% of children take up history as an option for GCSE’s don’t they? Don’t sound that popular to me. It’s certainly far from the mandatory teaching of the negatives of empire you’re trying to argue is mandatory with your links that say suggested not statutory at the top of every list.
Which brings us on to the next question. What will they learn about Empire? During the BLM protests it came out for instance that when schools do teach specifically about slavery they focus on the abolition of slavery not the ugly details or about how we all still feel the “benefits” of it to this day.
The point I made right at the very start is that there is no mandatory education in schools to teach the negative aspects of our country’s history unlike in Germany where it is mandatory. I thank you for your assistance in confirming that to be correct. Even though you thought you were doing the opposite.
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