covcity4life
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is this story confirmed as 100% true?
Uncomfortable reading.... (12 Viewers)
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Otis
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Don't confirm it, otherwise you will be labeled a realist!!
hill83
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I wasn't grouping them together to be fair. It was mainly a response to the lefties comment.
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Jack Griffin
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I don't see why anyone should be an apologist for these crimes, let the truth out!
Ian1779
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To be fair I didn't think you were.
It's just another cog on the capitalist propaganda machine.
oakey
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Camels?
hill83
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Egypt buy their camels from Australia.
Otis
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Julian Ass?
Harry Krishner
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Just curious as to why this article makes "uncomfortable reading for fair-minded folk".
As numerous posters have pointed out, attitudes towards unveiled, unescorted women in the ME and North Africa are well known- these lads are just doing what they were brought up with.
The uncomfortable reading is that written by brain-washed apologists.
As numerous posters have pointed out, attitudes towards unveiled, unescorted women in the ME and North Africa are well known- these lads are just doing what they were brought up with.
The uncomfortable reading is that written by brain-washed apologists.
SIR ERNIE
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Merkel's 'Open Door' announcement was one of the most irresponsible statements ever made by a leading politician. It will inevitably result in massive tensions and dangerous instability within Europe's biggest nation.
Where are those clowns now who stood there clapping at Munich station a few months ago holding up their daft 'welcome' signs?
Where are those clowns now who stood there clapping at Munich station a few months ago holding up their daft 'welcome' signs?
when she said "wir schaffen es" there were thousands in Hungary and more on the way. Merkel didn't start the migration. There's is a war going on. You call it daft to welcome refugees, but there are a lot of people who would call it a humane act to help people whose way of life has been destroyed. Yes, in a million people you will have scumbags and their culture is absurd in comparison to German culture ( and they will see German culture as absurd from their point of view ). It is no fun, but this war with everyone joining in, testing their weapons and pursuing their own goals is also no fun for Syrians and Iraqis. I don't see why the Moroccans and Algerians are here though ( from Germany's point of view ). The tension is building here. 30% say they won't visit big events anymore and pepper spray is selling like hot cakes. My main business is taking part on big events.... Police expect 1000 hooligans at a protest rally in Cologne today - I'd say more.
Sick Boy
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It certainly is bizarre and is not in line with European values. Saying that though, you see plenty of white European men behaving inappropriately towards women as Duffer highlighted earlier. There is still a belief amongst the more desperate men that women are somehow asking for attention based on the way they dress.
Sick Boy
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If these sort of incidenta continue you certainly have to fear that the far right will try to take advantage. I wonder if those directing this sexually assaulting women are the other side of the coin and are trying to cause tension as well.
SIR ERNIE
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Her 'Open Door' announcement was bad enough in itself but her most reckless statement was that Germany would be responsible for processing the asylum claims. This announcement effectively made the EU borderless by rendering the Dublin Convention rules for asylum seekers obsolete.
The DC rules were created to ensure that refugees must claim asylum in the first European Union country that they reach. They were designed to protect Europe's borders whilst ensuring an orderly management of claims.
So the combined effect of a borderless EU and footage German citizens gleefully welcoming one and all, mobilised hundreds of thousands, soon to be millions of muslims from the Middle East, North Africa and the Sub Continent.
The inevitable consequence was always going to be dangerous and rapidly escalating instability within Germany.
Dublin Convention fell out of the window because of the sheer numbers and determination to get out of a war zone. With hindsight it was a naive agreement. Now the refugees are deciding where they want to stay and without the use of force, you cannot get everyone to go to where you want them to. You are dealing with a million in Germany alone. You also have Erdogan using them as a way to push his own agenda. War creates instability- regardless of Frau Merkel.
Far right think that it is Christmas again. State elections coming up. Police chief in Cologne scored an own goal. Got his story wrong - like a criminal being questioned. He was a political appointee- had never been a policeman. ZDF news channel scored a second own goal by suppressing the news. The truth always comes out nowadays. The far right refer to the "Lügenpresse" - als did Goebels. The lying press. Unfortunately, in this case, they have been proved right. Total loss of trust is affecting the middle of society, not just the fringe groups. We are being patronised by the government media, who are deciding what we should know and what would be bad for us to know. Merkel has her work cut out now. Her own party are getting restless and there is talk of the CSU sister party asking their members whether they should leave the coalition if Merkel doesn't agree to a limit of refugees. The right will try to up the tension in advance of the state elections. Expect dirty tricks. Having said that, I have a teenage daughter and am not enjoying this. I am worried about the right AfD party growing in influence at the same time as some scumbags ( few in relation to one million ) within the refugees frightening females and pickpocketing train travellers. Lose lose situation.
Harry Krishner
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I note the police were active today at the demo by "far right" Pegida (who don't rape or molest women) in Cologne complete with water cannon and riot gear, whereas 200 of them were apparently powerless to do anything on new years eve.
Weird that, innit?
Weird that, innit?
No. Not weird.. Last Right wing demo in Cologne was Hooligans against Salafists. Violent riot where police were attacked and police vehicles overturned. No sex, but more thugs and more violence. Todays demo had to be registered and the police knew in advance roughly how many thugs were coming. Hence the water cannon.
Grendel
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Why do you put far right in commas as if to question that? They are the equivalent of the EDL here. A nasty bunch of fascists whose sole aim is to cause unrest and fear.
It's absurd and frankly disturbing that you question police attitudes to these Neo Nazi thugs.
if they use Goebels language - they do - then I think you can assume that they are far right. The EDL have been quiet. Their ex leader has been to Germany and spoken at a Pegida rally. His plan is to come back as PEGIDA England. He was impressed by the tactics. Non violent "walks" - as the demos against the East German leadership were. Better chance of success than drunken mobs. The police were prepared today because the demo had to be approved in advance. More people turned up to the anti PEGIDA / Hooligan demo actually. The hooligan element is more EDL and some of them were in Cologne today. The leaders of the hooligans and PEGIDA are "Rattenfänger". The pied piper being a "Rattenfänger". The followers are not all bad. I know some who sympathise and they are nice people. They are not well off and are worried about their jobs, future etc.. The AfD, our UKIP, are more worrying because they will get votes because of this. The sex thing awakes emotions ( I have a young daughter and I am worried when she travels by train - her grand parents brought her home from Hamburg on 06. January by car ), but it is compounded by the police chief playing it down and the state TV and newspapers not reporting what happened and who did what. That is a bonus for PEGIDA. PEGIDA sold itself today as "PEGIDA protects". This attracts insecure people. Lutz Bachmann, the leader of PEGIDA , is a convicted burglar. Nice guy.....
Harry Krishner
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I am questioning the tendency of the MSM to use "far-right" to describe any European anti-immigration party. The BBC news did this repeatedly last night about the demos in Cologne. This standard is dropped once we venture outside Europe, so is never used to describe say West Bank settlers in Israel, the more hawkish Israeli parties, the Saudi govt, Bahrain & Omani govts, Russians, Chinese, Japanese etc etc. The list is long, and these are all countries that have strict immigration regimes, execute people etc that go unquestioned by the western MSM.
Politically I would consider myself to be around the old-Labour/Green end of the spectrum; problem is that all the main UK and European parties come with mass-immigration attached- anybody who thinks this is a poor idea is pushed out to the smaller and more fanatical fringes. As far as I could see, Pegida began as a collection of normal people with genuine concerns about unrestricted immigration from the ME- and yes, Islamic immigrants do pose a far greater integration challenge than say Indians. My impression is that the MSM has since gone out on a limb to demonise Pegida- this is why I value the opinions of somebody like MartCov who I gather is actually on the ground in Germany and seems objective over the likes of Sick Boy et al who come across as brain- washed sixth formers (apologies if I'm wrong!). Again, my impression is that Europe will have mass immigration imposed on it regardless of what anybody thinks- I really get the impression there is an agenda at play here.
Going back to the original point, I feel labels such as left and right don't really mean that much (German fascism v Soviet communisim in the 1940s weren't all that different). Conservatives are a classic example- talk tough on immigration and are therefore "right" while numbers coming into the country actually increase and are effectively little different from say Labour on that point. I reiterate: I personally feel it is deeply misguided to allow hundreds of thousands of young male refugees from the ME (or anywhere for that matter) into Europe; we have no obligation to them whatsoever and there are numerous countries in the region that are culturally better placed to deal with them.
Jump forward a year when IS are teetering on the brink of collapse and ground forces are needed to go in and secure IS areas: who's it to be? Does anybody want to see the yanks go back in there? Ourselves? No. Any re-occupying forces will need to be composed of people with local knowledge and languages- and many potential recruits are currently being a pain in the arse (literally) in Germany.
Politically I would consider myself to be around the old-Labour/Green end of the spectrum; problem is that all the main UK and European parties come with mass-immigration attached- anybody who thinks this is a poor idea is pushed out to the smaller and more fanatical fringes. As far as I could see, Pegida began as a collection of normal people with genuine concerns about unrestricted immigration from the ME- and yes, Islamic immigrants do pose a far greater integration challenge than say Indians. My impression is that the MSM has since gone out on a limb to demonise Pegida- this is why I value the opinions of somebody like MartCov who I gather is actually on the ground in Germany and seems objective over the likes of Sick Boy et al who come across as brain- washed sixth formers (apologies if I'm wrong!). Again, my impression is that Europe will have mass immigration imposed on it regardless of what anybody thinks- I really get the impression there is an agenda at play here.
Going back to the original point, I feel labels such as left and right don't really mean that much (German fascism v Soviet communisim in the 1940s weren't all that different). Conservatives are a classic example- talk tough on immigration and are therefore "right" while numbers coming into the country actually increase and are effectively little different from say Labour on that point. I reiterate: I personally feel it is deeply misguided to allow hundreds of thousands of young male refugees from the ME (or anywhere for that matter) into Europe; we have no obligation to them whatsoever and there are numerous countries in the region that are culturally better placed to deal with them.
Jump forward a year when IS are teetering on the brink of collapse and ground forces are needed to go in and secure IS areas: who's it to be? Does anybody want to see the yanks go back in there? Ourselves? No. Any re-occupying forces will need to be composed of people with local knowledge and languages- and many potential recruits are currently being a pain in the arse (literally) in Germany.
Yes there are unfortunate labels thrown around these days. Want to help refugees you are a "loony lefty" concerned about immigration you are "anti immigration" not convinced that multiculturalism is going to end in peace and harmony you are most likely a "facist". Mates with a Moslem "terrorist sympathiser."
I read Matcovs posts with equal amounts of interest and trepidation I must admit
I read Matcovs posts with equal amounts of interest and trepidation I must admit
Sick Boy
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Your presumptions are utterly laughable. Those who committed the attacks are disgusting and have no place in a civilised society. However, unlike you, I do not tar all of the asylum seekers with the same much brush; just how I don't label all white Englishmen as rapists after reading about sex attacks here.
Have you ever spent anytime living abroad?
Sick Boy
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I would certainly label someone who defends a far right fascist organisation as a c**t.
Perhaps, or ill informed, impressionable and scared. In the same way the disaffected young muslim man reaches out to extremism
Sick Boy
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Exactly the point I made earlier in the thread.
Harry Krishner
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"Have you ever spent anytime living abroad"
About 28 years - mainly in Asia but also in the middle east.
How about you?
About 28 years - mainly in Asia but also in the middle east.
How about you?
Otis
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Not if immigrants invade the pitch and start grabbing at all the female arses they can get their hands on.
Sick Boy
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Whereabouts?
It's a shame it didn't have any kind of influence on you and you now resort to posting extremist views on a football forum.
If it was Muslims/asylum seekers you'd be going after another group of people, whether it be Jews, Asians, Polish, black people etc.
Harry Krishner
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Wouldn't have a bit of a problem with judgementalism there would you Sickie?
It had a massive influence on me- all of my ideas on immigration have been picked up from places I lived in.
Many of my mates, old girlfriends, wives and kids have all been from outside Europe from a variety of faiths and races, as it happens, and I wouldn't have it any other way.