Grendel
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They are clueless
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They are clueless
Sick Boy
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I thought you were all about respecting others' opinion? Dismissing entire generations because of your hatred.
Grendel
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Which political leader did most of these educated youths vote for to remain in the EU?
Grendel
Well-Known Member
The other point is youth has no responsibility and means that many adopt an ideology they grow out of. It’s worth noting Peter Hitchin was in his youth a genuine Trotskyite that lived in communist Russia. Once they grow up and enjoy the benefits of capitalism such nonsense remains in their past.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Probably Corbyn, which I've already said will end costing him.
Kingokings204
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Correct. Very Strange because in southern EU countries such as Greece and Spain youth employment runs at around or has run at 50% and they hate the EU.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Based on what? A hunch?
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Well no as they voted for him as he bribed students as previously did Mr Euro so in they end most actually will just be good old capitalists - in fact they already are!
My daughter‘s boyfriend is Spanish from Andalusia. It was a poor area before the EU. He is happy to have a job in Germany. As is his father. They certainly don’t hate the EU, but the don’t like the problems in Catalonia where the other brother lives and is now seen as a „migrant“.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
You flip between the EU being a capitalist club and a socialist superstate, you're all over the place.
I agree that capitalism brings many benefits. There is a difference between capitalism and what Trump is doing in taking away all checks on it and giving companies like BMW and VW a billion bonus each which they didn’t ask for or expect. And putting his government‘s generosity on the country‘s „tab“. This right wing tilt brings governments and capitalism together. In the past this has resulted in fascism. The attacks on the press ( in England there is no need to attack a significant portion of the press ) and on the independence of the judiciary, are further pointers of what is happening. In the UK some of the press is doing the work of the far right and doesn’t need to be coerced. Pretty disgusting situation.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
No it’s because both right wing politicians like Powell and left wing politicians like Benn and Foot share the same view against big state but based on different ideologies. It’s just evidence of your ignorance sadly.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
You're the one who just dismissed a whole generation of young as clueless due to your own hatred and arrogance.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
No it’s because of ignorance. You say I’m confused yet claim that vast swathes of people equate socialism with pro EU policy. Socialism is the antithesis of all that EU stands for. You said I’m “all of the place” - ok explain to me why nick griffin and Jeremy Corbyn both want Britain out of the EU
Educate me.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
You've claimed the EU is both a socialist superstate and a capitalist club at the same time. The funniest recently is that an ID card with a name and address on is more invasive than the likes of the Internet and Facebook.
As I said, you're all over the place.
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
No not a hunch. I based it on officially figures actually.
Those figures are 2014 and Spain had the worst at 53% youth unemployment and Greece 51%.
Worth noting Greece is now only just over 40% youth employment for 2017 which is still shocking if I’m honest.
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Sick Boy
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I was talking about their hatred of the EU.
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
Well I haven’t interviewed every youth citizen but would you be happy with those figures? Greece has their problems because they are in the EU and joined the euro.
Astute have given many many links on how Germany benefits and Greece doesn’t for the same reasons. They are literally trapped and can’t escape.
shmmeee
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The majority under 45 votes Labour. Are you seriously claiming everyone under 45 is an idealistic kid?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
...and of course it's nothing to do with their own domestic issues (as I pointed out to Astute regarding Italy). And there are no Greeks or Spanish working elsewhere in Europe thanks to the EU, they are all trapped.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Most likely.
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
Yes they do have domestic issues well known but before they joined the euro it worked. They had their own currency and it balanced at the end of the day.
Now they are trapped in a currency it never should of joined and the majority of Greeks now view Germany as very unfavourable and the majority want to leave the EU by around 2 thirds according to Pew research polls which was the original point.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
No but many of those vote leave in the EU discussion - anyway idealism is CND and SWP not voting for the Blair creature
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Greece’s problems are because hardly anyone pays tax, everyone was retiring in their 50’s, everyone was retiring on final salary pensions and other such failings in domestic policies. The EU didn’t come into it. And this is conjecture I know but I’m of the opinion that the only reason they joined the euro was in an attempt to stave off what happened anyway. After all the rules were relaxed to allow them to join and they still had to fudge the figures. Greece was a bomb waiting to drop with or without the EU or the Euro.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
The Italians' main issue is the mafia, which has a massive impact upon the economy and tax revenue. The clueless 5 Star and racist La Lega Nord both hate the Euro; funnily enough, they also like Farage and back Brexit.
SkyblueBazza
Well-Known Member
But didn't have...so they will see it as a symbolic victory of change in the direction they want
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Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
Exactly. The referendum was an instruction that the EU isn’t the path we want to go down. It was a vote to change the direction of the ship. One of those changes is our passport and guess who on here doesn’t like it?
Yes ok... no fighting today... have a great Christmas Day..
Kingokings204
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Have a day off pal!
Hang on you’re on here to with likes on your post so I’m clearly not the only one :emoji_stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
Have a lovely Christmas.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Have a day off pal!
Well there’s no election this year so £20 is owed i believe.
So can you please donate to this;
Many Tears Animal Rescue
I think it’s still not technically a registered charity for specific reasons. It does great work rehoming in particular puppy farmed breeding dogs
Thanks!
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Sounds like a great cause, will get this done tomorrow. Hope you've had a good Christmas!
Grendel
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It is thanks hope you’ve had a great day as well