I_Saw_Shaw_Score
Well-Known Member
Schedule usually comes out later this year.
I’d have London 2 last as Aus have a good record at Lords, Edgbaston should always be first!
It’ll prob go
Edgbaston, Lords, OT, Headingley & Oval
Ashes 17/18 Thread (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter I_Saw_Shaw_Score
- Start date
Schedule usually comes out later this year.
I’d have London 2 last as Aus have a good record at Lords, Edgbaston should always be first!
It’ll prob go
Edgbaston, Lords, OT, Headingley & Oval
Terry Gibson's perm
Well-Known Member
Most tourists want to start at lords but I agree London should have the last two so we can go there three nil up I would be tempted to go early at headlingly so we can see smiths face when it’s hooping around early season before he gets on the roads in london
I_Saw_Shaw_Score
Well-Known Member
Another reason not to have 4 day tests!
Covstu
Well-Known Member
Agree, it has to be 5 days although when you play a windies etc it’s no more than 4 days
I_Saw_Shaw_Score
Well-Known Member
No it’s the 5th time I’m 15 away tests since 2016.
Was thinking they’ve been bad but not that bad surely!
Otis
Well-Known Member
Well I thought that stat looked really outrageously bad. I got that quote from the BBC site. Obviously an error on their part.
Unless my eyesight has gone completely wonky.
Even 5 times is awful.
eastwoodsdustman
Well-Known Member
Part of a plan. We’d already lost the series so they’re letting the marsh’s and kawaja get runs so they’ll come to England next time. We could have 4 day tests then if need be.
Covstu
Well-Known Member
cancel the open top bus tour Otis..
I think we may have got a result in the 4th test should rain not have got in the way. we were outclassed from the start so fair play to Smith et al but really not sure where we go from here with the team. Stokes saga started the negative spiral from the start (but equally self inflicted). I would rather of us take him then deal with him afterwards which still hasn't been resolved.
I don't think we need revolution but we cannot get this right.
Terry Gibson's perm
Well-Known Member
Very few sides win away from home and Australia will lose here, this has bee a poor you but I think the emphasis is on white ball cricket.
eastwoodsdustman
Well-Known Member
like ISSS stated earlier in the thread, Results are becoming polarised with home teams battering touring teams on a more regular basis. Everyone is getting better and better in their own conditions. The only exceptions are the Asian teams and England-S/A- New Zealand where conditions on the countries are similar to a degree and series a bit closer.
For England, there aren't enough fast, hard and bouncy wickets available for us to get near to playing at a decent level in Australian conditions. Also tours are not set up to help visiting teams acclimatise now. There are very few 4 day warm up games like they used to have.
For England, there aren't enough fast, hard and bouncy wickets available for us to get near to playing at a decent level in Australian conditions. Also tours are not set up to help visiting teams acclimatise now. There are very few 4 day warm up games like they used to have.
Terry Gibson's perm
Well-Known Member
tisza
Well-Known Member
doesn't help that the schedule for 4 day cricket in the domestic season sees the bulk of games scheduled for beginning & end of season when conditions favour swing over pace. Fast bowlers andd spinners aren't seeing enough cricket on wickets that may closer resemble overseas wickets.
Doesn't help that selectors have made a dog's breakfast over last 18 months of developing a side.
Also basically sent the same type of side that has been well-beaten last tour down under.
key issue this obsession with batsmen who can score quickly. Hit or bust. It's a 5 day game still what's wrong with playing batsmen that can show patience and build an innings.?
Covstu
Well-Known Member
I think it goes back to an earlier point on test cricket not lasting 5 days and the public seem to be favouring ODI and T20 cricket. We only have Cook who can dig in for the day and I must admit watching him bat for the day isn’t fun as sadly too infrequent now. I heard today that he averaged under 50 even with his double century!
Grendel
Well-Known Member
This is the problem. Tests are becoming a joke where home teams always win.
Cricket needs to have a serious think. It’s obsession with ODI games means teams get no prep time and even the games they are played opponents can’t be bothered to field competitive opposition.
England bowlers can’t compete on these surfaces and other than Hazelwood the Aussies would look bang average in the UK
There are problems for sure
England batsmen failed to convert 50’s into centuries anywhere near enough but at least Malan looks a test player.
The selection of a non specialist spinner you could pick was bizarre
Root is a disaster as captain - down there with Botham and Boycott.
The bowlers can’t perform on non swing wickets
Vince is finished as a test player and probably shouldn’t have gone anyway.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Ali is one of the top ranked test players at home. Beyond stupid to exile him off one bad series - it won’t happen.
tisza
Well-Known Member
find a way to stop this Kolpak/overseas players nonsense.
You're rarely getting top-quality overseas players so the argument about competing against the best doesn't hold anymore.
County sides with 5/6/7 non-English players producing mediocre cricket just strangles young England-qualified players development.
Going the same way as football. Still refuse to believe there can't be sufficient good English players to take the place of a decent % of those in the Championship/bottom end of the PL.
You're rarely getting top-quality overseas players so the argument about competing against the best doesn't hold anymore.
County sides with 5/6/7 non-English players producing mediocre cricket just strangles young England-qualified players development.
Going the same way as football. Still refuse to believe there can't be sufficient good English players to take the place of a decent % of those in the Championship/bottom end of the PL.
tisza
Well-Known Member
Those wanting spinners. Pitches, match scheduling, 4 day games all reducing opportunities for spinners.
How many 4 day games did Crane actually play last summer? started only 7.
Can rule out the 5 or so games of a 14 game season because they are being played on green seamers.
How many 4 day games did Crane actually play last summer? started only 7.
Can rule out the 5 or so games of a 14 game season because they are being played on green seamers.
stupot07
Well-Known Member
Terry Gibson's perm
Well-Known Member
I see that broad the undropabble survives for New Zealand and the very average Liam Livingstone has been called up, I do hope Sam hain can find some red ball form this summer as he is far better than livingstone
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
We're certainly giving it our best shot!
Gazolba
Well-Known Member
Roy got 180. Let's not cheat him out of 10 runs!
I_Saw_Shaw_Score
Well-Known Member
Stokes charged with affray.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
And cleared for selection by England. All seems a bit odd. Can't play when he hasn't been charged, gets charged and is allowed back in!
Esoterica
Well-Known Member
If I was Ben Duckett I'd be seething. Not only was he sent home but he's left out of the Feb Windies Lions tour. Whereas Stokes is brought straight back in. Talk about making someone a scapegoat!