The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (24 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

Links on hearsay yes. Your favourite subject.

You haven’t read them have you. This reply confirms that.

You haven’t gone and looked for the details of the TPP for yourself have you like I suggested. Again this reply confirms that.

 

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[skybluetony176]

Dad was a carpenter

Are you a chip of the old block

 

[Monners]

Are you a chip of the old block

I saw what you did there

 

[Astute]

You seem to have missed it but Japan doesn’t want a bespoke deal with the U.K. they want us to join the ailing TPP. That might not even happen.

So how do you know that?

And what is TPP all about? And that is facts not your normal guestimations that you treat as facts.

 

[Astute]

You haven’t read them have you. This reply confirms that.

You haven’t gone and looked for the details of the TPP for yourself have you like I suggested. Again this reply confirms that.

Confirmation of what?

Are you saying that you have seen the details?

Or is it something like looking at a pro Brexit or anti Brexit version and swallowing it all?

I haven't seen anything official.

 

[skybluetony176]

So how do you know that?

And what is TPP all about? And that is facts not your normal guestimations that you treat as facts.

Like I’ve told you. Go and do some reading on the subject. I’ve tried to help you out by providing half a dozen or so links over the last couple of days but you’re clearly ignoring them because you’re as clueless as ever. I’ve told you that the links that I’ve provided are the tip of the iceberg and if you can be bothered go and look for yourself but again you ignore this very good advice at the expense of your continued cluelessness on the subject.

Go and look for yourself. I’ve tried to help you out already but you’re beyond help.

 

[skybluetony176]

Confirmation of what?

Are you saying that you have seen the details?

Or is it something like looking at a pro Brexit or anti Brexit version and swallowing it all?

I haven't seen anything official.

Like I’ve told you already. Go and do some reading on the subject. I’ve tried to help you out by providing half a dozen or so links over the last couple of days but you’re clearly ignoring them because you’re as clueless as ever. I’ve told you that the links that I’ve provided are the tip of the iceberg and if you can be bothered go and look for yourself but again you ignore this very good advice at the expense of your continued cluelessness on the subject.

Go and look for yourself. I’ve tried to help you out already but you’re beyond help.

 

[martcov]

But once again...negative slant on EVERYTHING!
Do you not just think it possible that even if if means a 12month minimum wait that we get the best deal for Britain (might easily be a simple replication of the terms the EU have as our business might form a significant part of what Japan wants access to!)
THEN we dictate what we trade rather than the EU dictating it to us!

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Dictate? We will be up shit creek without a paddle.

 

[martcov]

And what is TPP all about?

I have told you about that:

The aims of TPP:

• lower tariffs on trade between partners;

SM and CU better

• uniform intellectual property protections;

Lots of criticism about that

• standardized labor and environmental laws;

Like the EU. Probably lower standards than the EU though.

• built-in investor-state dispute settlement mechanisms.

Like the ECJ. Tories won’t like that.

 

[Astute]

Like I’ve told you. Go and do some reading on the subject. I’ve tried to help you out by providing half a dozen or so links over the last couple of days but you’re clearly ignoring them because you’re as clueless as ever. I’ve told you that the links that I’ve provided are the tip of the iceberg and if you can be bothered go and look for yourself but again you ignore this very good advice at the expense of your continued cluelessness on the subject.

Go and look for yourself. I’ve tried to help you out already but you’re beyond help.

They are not proof of anything. They are just people's thoughts. And if they are anything like yourself then pro EU anti UK.

 

[skybluetony176]

I have told you about that:

The aims of TPP:

• lower tariffs on trade between partners;

SM and CU better

• uniform intellectual property protections;

Lots of criticism about that

• standardized labor and environmental laws;

Like the EU. Probably lower standards than the EU though.

• built-in investor-state dispute settlement mechanisms.

Like the ECJ. Tories won’t like that.

Stop twisting things

 

[skybluetony176]

They are not proof of anything. They are just people's thoughts. And if they are anything like yourself then pro EU anti UK.

Like I’ve told you. Go and do some reading on the subject. I’ve tried to help you out by providing half a dozen or so links over the last couple of days but you’re clearly ignoring them because you’re as clueless as ever. I’ve told you that the links that I’ve provided are the tip of the iceberg and if you can be bothered go and look for yourself but again you ignore this very good advice at the expense of your continued cluelessness on the subject.

Go and look for yourself. I’ve tried to help you out already butyou’re beyond help.

 

[Astute]

Dictate? We will be up shit creek without a paddle.

Why will we?

You always make out that the EU has nothing to worry about. But it isn't true. They are not prepared for a no deal. So either they k iw there will be a deal so haven't bothered preparing for a no deal situation or they are totally incompetent.

Take your pick.

You will prefer to make excuses for them though.

 

[Grendel]

I have told you about that:

The aims of TPP:

• lower tariffs on trade between partners;

SM and CU better

• uniform intellectual property protections;

Lots of criticism about that

• standardized labor and environmental laws;

Like the EU. Probably lower standards than the EU though.

• built-in investor-state dispute settlement mechanisms.

Like the ECJ. Tories won’t like that.

Do you think japan and Vietnam have similar labour laws?

Fucking hell

 

[Astute]

I have told you about that:

The aims of TPP:

• lower tariffs on trade between partners;

SM and CU better

• uniform intellectual property protections;

Lots of criticism about that

• standardized labor and environmental laws;

Like the EU. Probably lower standards than the EU though.

• built-in investor-state dispute settlement mechanisms.

Like the ECJ. Tories won’t like that.

Nothing set in stone. But it is to you.

 

[Astute]

Do you think japan and Vietnam have similar labour laws?

Fucking hell

They know that all countries would be reduced to the Vietnam level.

That is the way this thread goes.

 

[Astute]

Like I’ve told you. Go and do some reading on the subject. I’ve tried to help you out by providing half a dozen or so links over the last couple of days but you’re clearly ignoring them because you’re as clueless as ever. I’ve told you that the links that I’ve provided are the tip of the iceberg and if you can be bothered go and look for yourself but again you ignore this very good advice at the expense of your continued cluelessness on the subject.

Go and look for yourself. I’ve tried to help you out already butyou’re beyond help.

Beyond listening to your pro EU crap. You haven't got a clue what you are going on about. Or you do but are making it up as you go along as long as it sounds bad for the UK.

 

[skybluetony176]

Do you think japan and Vietnam have similar labour laws?

Fucking hell

It’s minimum standard not a case of Vietnam having to raise its standards to Japan’s. The more likely scenario there of course will inevitably be a lowering of standards towards the direction of Vietnam.

I’m guessing that you knew that anyway. Just trying to be a smart arse.

 

[skybluetony176]

Beyond listening to your pro EU crap. You haven't got a clue what you are going on about. Or you do but are making it up as you go along as long as it sounds bad for the UK.

Like I’ve told you. Go and do some reading on the subject. I’ve tried to help you out by providing half a dozen or so links over the last couple of days but you’re clearly ignoring them because you’re as clueless as ever. I’ve told you that the links that I’ve provided are the tip of the iceberg and if you can be bothered go and look for yourself but again you ignore this very good advice at the expense of your continued cluelessness on the subject.

Go and look for yourself. I’ve tried to help you out already butyou’re beyond help.

 

[Grendel]

It’s minimum standard not a case of Vietnam having to raise its standards to Japan’s. The more likely scenario there of course will inevitably be a lowering of standards towards the direction of Vietnam.

So you think Japan will lower its standards? Is there any evidence of that? How does that equate to the Eu wanting to trade with them?

Seriously this is embarrassing

 

[Astute]

They know that all countries would be reduced to the Vietnam level.

That is the way this thread goes.

It’s minimum standard not a case of Vietnam having to raise its standards to Japan’s. The more likely scenario there of course will inevitably be a lowering of standards towards the direction of Vietnam.

I’m guessing that you knew that anyway. Just trying to be a smart arse.

How was that for a guess :smuggrin:

 

[Astute]

Like I’ve told you. Go and do some reading on the subject. I’ve tried to help you out by providing half a dozen or so links over the last couple of days but you’re clearly ignoring them because you’re as clueless as ever. I’ve told you that the links that I’ve provided are the tip of the iceberg and if you can be bothered go and look for yourself but again you ignore this very good advice at the expense of your continued cluelessness on the subject.

Go and look for yourself. I’ve tried to help you out already butyou’re beyond help.

No. You have put your opinion forward. And you have put up links you have found that are similar to your opinion. But they are all opinions.

How about anything official?

All I can find official is it is a free trade agreement.

 

[skybluetony176]

So you think Japan will lower its standards? Is there any evidence of that? How does that equate to the Eu wanting to trade with them?

Seriously this is embarrassing

Japan is already a suppressive working environment with long hours and stagnant wages. Even then it probably won’t effect Japan as much as other members. Vietnam isn’t the only poor country in the TPP. Also your alternative view is that you think that a one party state developing country like Vietnam is going to be forced to do anything. A minimum standard of working and environmental standards will be set and the bar will be set very low. It will have to be.

Again I think you already understand this and you’re just trying to be a smart arse. Still nice of you to give astute a token hand.

 

[skybluetony176]

No. You have put your opinion forward. And you have put up links you have found that are similar to your opinion. But they are all opinions.

How about anything official?

All I can find official is it is a free trade agreement.

Like I’ve told you. Go and do some reading on the subject. I’ve tried to help you out by providing half a dozen or so links over the last couple of days but you’re clearly ignoring them because you’re as clueless as ever. I’ve told you that the links that I’ve provided are the tip of the iceberg and if you can be bothered go and look for yourself but again you ignore this very good advice at the expense of your continued cluelessness on the subject.

Go and look for yourself. I’ve tried to help you out already butyou’re beyond help.

 

[Astute]

So you think Japan will lower its standards? Is there any evidence of that? How does that equate to the Eu wanting to trade with them?

Seriously this is embarrassing

He will find a link if someone's opinion that is as twisted as his own and tell you that it is a true fact.

 

[Astute]

Japan is already a suppressive working environment with long hours and stagnant wages. Even then it probably won’t effect Japan as much as other members. Vietnam isn’t the only poor country in the TPP. Also your alternative view is that you think that a one party state developing country like Vietnam is going to be forced to do anything. A minimum standard of working and environmental standards will be set and the bar will be set very low.

Again I think you already understand this and you’re just trying to be a smart arse. Still nice of you to give astute a token hand.

Ah so TPP won't work because of a couple of poor countries are in the talks.

It is a good job there are no countries like Romania and Greece in the EU then.

 

[skybluetony176]

Ah so TPP won't work because of a couple of poor countries are in the talks.

It is a good job there are no countries like Romania and Greece in the EU then.

Twisting again.

 

[skybluetony176]

He will find a link if someone's opinion that is as twisted as his own and tell you that it is a true fact.

It’s not an opinion. In Japan it’s well acknowledged and they even have a word for an unfortunate event caused by overworking. Go and have a look and see if you can educate yourself on Japanese working environment and side effects. You won’t have to look hard. I’ll give you a clue of where to start looking, that’s what a nice guy I am. One well known YouTuber recently found himself in the news for all the wrong reasons for visiting a forest where this unfortunate side effect happens on a regular basis, filmed what he found and then posted it on line. Start there.

 

[skybluetony176]

Seems Japanese business is already exploiting workers in Vietnam Life in Vietnam factory: forced overtime and €25 a week

Vietnamese trainee alleges he was misled into taking part in Fukushima decontamination work | The Japan Times

Abuses still abound in labor-strapped Japan's foreign 'trainee' worker system | The Japan Times

Billion garments discarded as workers toil in sweatshops：The Asahi Shimbun

Once you start looking there’s hundreds of stories like these. Welcome to the TPP.

 

[Captain Dart]

It’s not an opinion. In Japan it’s well acknowledged and they even have a word for an unfortunate event caused by overworking. Go and have a look and see if you can educate yourself on Japanese working environment and side effects. You won’t have to look hard. I’ll give you a clue of where to start looking, that’s what a nice guy I am. One well known YouTuber recently found himself in the news for all the wrong reasons for visiting a forest where this unfortunate side effect happens on a regular basis, filmed what he found and then posted it on line. Start there.

You're getting confused between a trade agreement and the internal workings of the country making the agreement.

 

[martcov]

Do you think japan and Vietnam have similar labour laws?

Fucking hell

I am quoting from a preamble to the TPP. Not my words. Those are the aims of TPP.

 

[martcov]

Why will we?

You always make out that the EU has nothing to worry about. But it isn't true. They are not prepared for a no deal. So either they k iw there will be a deal so haven't bothered preparing for a no deal situation or they are totally incompetent.

Take your pick.

You will prefer to make excuses for them though.

They are prepared for no deal. What makes you think they aren’t? There will still be chaos at the beginning as businesses are not prepared, but the EU countries are taking on border staff. Ireland over a thousand as an example.

 

[martcov]

Ah so TPP won't work because of a couple of poor countries are in the talks.

It is a good job there are no countries like Romania and Greece in the EU then.

Are you comparing Romania to Viet Nam?

 

[martcov]

No. You have put your opinion forward. And you have put up links you have found that are similar to your opinion. But they are all opinions.

How about anything official?

All I can find official is it is a free trade agreement.

Did you read the aims I posted?

 

[Astute]

Twisting again.

Not at all.

So why is it good that the EU has poor countries but not anyone else?

This shows how poor your efforts are.