The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (60 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree they don't. I don't think there would be that many upset if Scotland voted to leave the UK. We have taken most of their oil money off them. What other use do some people see them as being?

Not true Scotland receives more per head funding as a consequence of the Barnett formula than anywhere else except for Northern Ireland. It's what has made the flagship policies north of the border financially viable while the likes of North East England gets about half of the money. Though if we want to move back to drawing lines on maps and saying 'everyone on this side is like this and everyone on the other side is like that', let's go for it

 

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[skybluetony176]

Saw something earlier that SNP want an election before Salmonds trial in January. Which would explain their rush.

I read something about the Tories wanting it before the annual flu epidemic hits in January when traditionally they get slated for their failures in the NHS.

 

[shmmeee]

Not true Scotland receives more per head funding as a consequence of the Barnett formula than anywhere else except for Northern Ireland. It's what has made the flagship policies north of the border financially viable while the likes of North East England gets about half of the money. Though if we want to move back to drawing lines on maps and saying 'everyone on this side is like this and everyone on the other side is like that', let's go for it

I’m not sure I could cope if we roll Scottish independence into this thread as well

 

[Grendel]

Make your mind up

Corbyn is not a unionist what are you on about he’s happily let Scotland go and abandoning the unionists in Ireland would be a lifelong dream fulfilled

 

[shmmeee]

I read something about the Tories wanting it before the annual flu epidemic hits in January when traditionally they get slated for their failures in the NHS.

Apparently there’s a bit of a split about whether to do it before or after Brexit, I hadn’t heard that one but it’s a possibility.

As I said earlier, every side is playing silly buggers and no one seems to have the national interest at heart.

 

[Astute]

Labour won Stoke.

A lot of the Brexit vote is soft. Either non voters or those with bigger priorities.

Labour won many more areas that voted leave than remain. That is a fact.

 

[Astute]

Not true Scotland receives more per head funding as a consequence of the Barnett formula than anywhere else except for Northern Ireland. It's what has made the flagship policies north of the border financially viable while the likes of North East England gets about half of the money. Though if we want to move back to drawing lines on maps and saying 'everyone on this side is like this and everyone on the other side is like that', let's go for it

What isn't true? The Scottish oil money went to the UK government. Now we pay so Scotland gets free prescriptions. But we don't. If Scotland voted for independence they wouldn't get a massive amount of money each year.

 

[shmmeee]

Labour won many more areas that voted leave than remain. That is a fact.

Im lost. Surely that proves that Brexit vote isn’t a determining factor or they’d have lost those seats?

 

[Grendel]

Im lost. Surely that proves that Brexit vote isn’t a determining factor or they’d have lost those seats?

They were re-elected in 2017 on the basis there would be no second referendum and they’d back leave. Try telling the voters in Doncaster circumstances have changed when they’ve rejected about 5 versions of Brexit already

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m not sure I could cope if we roll Scottish independence into this thread as well

When I lived up there I rented a house with a Yes voter. His prediction was that a No vote would happen, the union would limp on for a bit longer then lose a second time round. Seems Brexit will do just that-so pointless.

 

[ccfc92]

Threat of Brexit could mean no pigs in blankets this Christmas

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Threat of Brexit could mean no pigs in blankets this Christmas

Cue Brighton and Shmmeee meltdown

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Come on the Corbyn you chicken!!! Lets have an election, even the lib dems are behind it

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Come on the Corbyn you chicken!!! Lets have an election, even the lib dems are behind it

We've had an election, get over it.

 

[Gazolba]

I can't believe the EU has agreed to another extension.
Their indecision is just as bad as ours.
They should have just kicked us out.

 

[ccfc92]

I can't believe the EU has agreed to another extension.
Their indecision is just as bad as ours.
They should have just kicked us out.

Imagine the reaction from these EU lovers if that happened.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Imagine the reaction from these EU lovers if that happened.

Imagine the reaction from those Brexit lovers.

 

[shmmeee]

Cue Brighton and Shmmeee meltdown

Too right!

I fucking love pigs in blankets.

 

[shmmeee]

Come on the Corbyn you chicken!!! Lets have an election, even the lib dems are behind it

How many times? The people in Labour against an election are the anti-Corbyn PLP. They’re on your side!

Corbynites think he’s the messiah and will pull it round.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I can't believe the EU has agreed to another extension.
Their indecision is just as bad as ours.
They should have just kicked us out.

They're just doing what we asked.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Cue Brighton and Shmmeee meltdown

Might run out of my SkyBlueConDom26Pack

 

[Deleted member 5849]

OK, there's too much ridiculous posturing going on. Explain to this bear of little brain why holding an election three days earlier stops a no-deal Brexit?

 

[shmmeee]

Changed my mind. No Deal now!!

 

[shmmeee]

OK, there's too much ridiculous posturing going on. Explain to this bear of little brain why holding an election three days earlier stops a no-deal Brexit?

It doesn’t. Yellow Tories of all flavours gonna yellow Tory.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Changed my mind. No Deal now!!

I take it back won't need any SkyBlueConDoms for that

 

[CCFCSteve]

OK, there's too much ridiculous posturing going on. Explain to this bear of little brain why holding an election three days earlier stops a no-deal Brexit?

Presume it’s on the basis that if the remain parties win enough seats they will ensure ‘no deal’ doesn’t happen.

Facts appear to be....

Tories want Brexit done pre election so they could say they delivered and remove risk of Brexit party. Won’t happen now. Best alternative is to accept Lib Dem/SNP proposal and argue ‘vote us back in and we’ll deliver Brexit by end of January on current WA’ - labour can’t deliver this with renegotiation and second referendum promises (and more delay)

labour wanted an election for a long time but when they knew they were unlikely to win a majority they believed best option was to stifle Brexit and government (hoping Johnson would eventually fuck up...not unreasonable assumption !) Corbyn would ideally prefer Brexit done prior to election though to focus on other policies and burst Brexit Party and Lib Dem bubbles.

SNP need an election before Alex Hammond sexual assault case in Jan

Lib Dem’s need an election before Brexit to benefit from remain labour and Tory votes (and current high polling)

Well, it’s certainly interesting times still !

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

We've had an election, get over it.

We've had a referendum as well......

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Presume it’s on the basis that if the remain parties win enough seats they will ensure ‘no deal’ doesn’t happen.

That'd happen on the 12th, anyway. Why three days?

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Extension confirmed until 31st of January.

(edit) Although we can leave sooner if a deal gets through Parliament. Best thing Boris can do then is push for the earliest possible GE to avoid delaying Brexit any longer than necessary. Like the remainers are trying to push through.

So the remainers are trying to push through a GE early (3 days) so we can avoid delaying Brexit any longer than necessary?

Either your interpretation of the strategy leave a lot to be desired...or you have swallowed someone else's bullshit again



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[Grendel]

OK, there's too much ridiculous posturing going on. Explain to this bear of little brain why holding an election three days earlier stops a no-deal Brexit?

I don’t get it either

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

SNP need an election before Alex Hammond sexual assault case in Jan

Lib Dem’s need an election before Brexit to benefit from remain labour and Tory votes (and current high polling)

Well, it’s certainly interesting times still !

 

[CCFCSteve]

That'd happen on the 12th, anyway. Why three days?

They want the students to be able to vote more easily ie before they head home for Xmas (apparently). Not sure I get it to be honest

 

[shmmeee]

So the remainers are trying to push through a GE early (3 days) so we can avoid delaying Brexit any longer than necessary?

Either your interpretation of the strategy leave a lot to be desired...or you have swallowed someone else's bullshit again



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Why do you think Johnson put his deal in limbo after it passed second reading out of interest?

 

[shmmeee]

They want the students to be able to vote more easily ie before they head home for Xmas (apparently). Not sure I get it to be honest

Makes no sense. They’d be there on Monday but not on Thursday?

I think they both want one this side of Xmas and this prevents the bill being debated. But then Boris doesn’t want it debated anyway.

It’s all very strange.

There is of course the possibility that our politicians of all stripes aren’t the political masterminds we assume.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Why do you think Johnson put his deal in limbo after it passed second reading out of interest?

Guessing he thought deep down it wouldn’t get through without heavy amends/further delays. Not sure I quite agree with his strategy ie if unsuccessful tonight, I’d separate out the election and WAB votes (before 8 Nov)....revised WAB timetable probably wouldn’t get through anyway but at least he could say he had tried