Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (360 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

That's quite a leap questioning his poor decision making to bring up his religion, sound like you have a chip on your shoulder there fletch.

Would you care to explain why you at best misunderstood what he said?

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[Otis]

That's quite a leap questioning his poor decision making to bring up his religion, sound like you have a chip on your shoulder there fletch.

Not poor decision making by him though is it, if that is what he was told by the official body.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Read the article though, that's the advice he was given
As I said above,, not really a fan of his but he didn't just come to that conclusion on his own.

Yes I suppose given the date the risk would have been very low. It's just a hindsight thing that makes it seem so crazy.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Forgot to say went for a run last night up to and around the memorial park and all entrances to vehicles were locked

 

[Ring Of Steel]

He's not alone if I'm honest!

at the risk of being called insensitive... deaths going through the roof, new cases rising dramatically, more key info coming out about the virus itself from Asia, key govt figures invisible and/or clearly struggling, Italy now questioning the future of the entire EU, and we are undoubtedly heading into one of the nastiest & most critical situations we’ve been in decades- arguably since 1945.... but most of the news seems to be “Boris now able to sit up in bed”.

 

[David O'Day]

Yes I suppose given the date the risk would have been very low. It's just a hindsight thing that makes it seem so crazy.

It's not crazy, he was advised this by phe so that's what he told Londoners.

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[mark82]

'No risk' of catching coronavirus on the Tube, says Sadiq Khan | Metro News

In fairness, as much as I disagree, that article is dated 3rd March when there were still very few cases in this country. The risk at that time was still probably pretty low and the advice from the government at the time was to carry on as normal.

 

[David O'Day]

Forgot to say went for a run last night up to and around the memorial park and all entrances to vehicles were locked

Yeah that was in the telegraph. Makes sense.

Keep the park open for those more local

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[David O'Day]

In fairness, as much as I disagree, that article is dated 3rd March when there were still very few cases in this country. The risk at that time was still probably pretty low and the advice from the government at the time was to carry on as normal.

It states in the article as well he was given this advise by phe

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[Ring Of Steel]

In fairness, as much as I disagree, that article is dated 3rd March when there were still very few cases in this country. The risk at that time was still probably pretty low and the advice from the government at the time was to carry on as normal.

I’m sure Marty will be along shortly to confirm that he is mistaken... won’t he?

 

[TomRad85]

Not poor decision making by him though is it, if that is what he was told by the official body.

He made the comment on exactly the same day Boris made his infamous handshake comment that gets a lot of traction in this thread. Either both were stupid or both can use the excuse they were just going off expert advice at the time.

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[Marty]

I’m sure Marty will be along shortly to confirm that he is mistaken... won’t he?

So what are we saying here? That experts often get it wrong? you should think of that everytime you mention experts in regards to Brexit.

 

[shmmeee]

That's quite a leap questioning his poor decision making to bring up his religion, sound like you have a chip on your shoulder there fletch.

What poor decision making. You’ve gone back to before the outbreak to complain about his saying it was safe when it was safe while ignoring the fact the people in charge of the whole country were at that point boasting about how they were shaking hands with patients.

As they’re both politicians saying the same thing I was just wondering why Sadiq Khan upset you so much. Your touchy reaction answers that for me, thanks.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

He made the comment on exactly the same day Boris made his infamous handshake comment that gets a lot of traction in this thread. Either both were stupid or both can use the excuse they were just going off expert advice at the time.

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It’s a good point and at least in ‘the media’ a lot of fingers are starting to point at these “experts”, who were already under scrutiny from other members of the scientific/ medical community anyway. But it does seem that they’re currently being lined up to take a huge portion of the blame for all the mistakes made.

 

[shmmeee]

He made the comment on exactly the same day Boris made his infamous handshake comment that gets a lot of traction in this thread. Either both were stupid or both can use the excuse they were just going off expert advice at the time.

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Expert advice has never been to enter a hospitals full or virus patients and shake everyone’s hands. Ever.

 

[Otis]

He made the comment on exactly the same day Boris made his infamous handshake comment that gets a lot of traction in this thread. Either both were stupid or both can use the excuse they were just going off expert advice at the time.

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Hmmm..... would agreed with you, but it depends that we knew at time that we should not be making direct physical contact with Coronavirus sufferers.

 

[mark82]

So what are we saying here? That experts often get it wrong? you should think of that everytime you mention experts in regards to Brexit.

It's not necessarily that the experts got it wrong, it's more that there were only 39 cases in the whole country at the time. We were also told going to work and to large events like football matches was safe. Why just pick what Sadiq Khan was saying at that time? Why not pick out what all political leaders and advisors were saying?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

So what are we saying here? That experts often get it wrong? you should think of that everytime you mention experts in regards to Brexit.

I think one pertinent point for you is “don’t just read the headline” or you run the risk of looking silly.

 

[TomRad85]

It’s a good point and at least in ‘the media’ a lot of fingers are starting to point at these “experts”, who were already under scrutiny from other members of the scientific/ medical community anyway. But it does seem that they’re currently being lined up to take a huge portion of the blame for all the mistakes made.

And so they should be. I actually read something you posted yesterday and it was a good read. Fuck ups galore from the 'experts'.

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[clint van damme]

So what are we saying here? That experts often get it wrong? you should think of that everytime you mention experts in regards to Brexit.

How does getting it wrong on this occasion equate to often getting it wrong?

 

[Marty]

What poor decision making. You’ve gone back to before the outbreak to complain about his saying it was safe when it was safe while ignoring the fact the people in charge of the whole country were at that point boasting about how they were shaking hands with patients.

As they’re both politicians saying the same thing I was just wondering why Sadiq Khan upset you so much. Your touchy reaction answers that for me, thanks.

As a leader of a major city, seeing cases grow, I would expect a bit of critical thinking, and seeing potential for large people to become infected.

Only one who mentioned his religion was you your clown.

 

[Otis]

It's not necessarily that the experts got it wrong, it's more that there were only 39 cases in the whole country at the time. We were also told going to work and to large events like football matches was safe. Why just pick what Sadiq Khan was saying at that time? Why not pick out what all political leaders and advisors were saying?

We should criticise all people, from all political spectrums when they get it wrong. It is not just us and them, left and right.

If they get the advice wrong we should criticse all sides, whichever side they are on.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

And so they should be. I actually read something you posted yesterday and it was a good read. Fuck ups galore from the 'experts'.

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And the logical question is “who appointed these experts”, and from what I see & read that line most likely stops somewhere in the vicinity of Dominic Cummings, the real PM, who values ‘science’ and eugenics more than genuine experts in their own disciplines.

 

[Marty]

It's not necessarily that the experts got it wrong, it's more that there were only 39 cases in the whole country at the time. We were also told going to work and to large events like football matches was safe. Why just pick what Sadiq Khan was saying at that time? Why not pick out what all political leaders and advisors were saying?

I have criticized many white politicians and experts as well over the handling off this outbreak, or am I only allowed to mention a brown politician if I mention a white one at the same time?

 

[Skybluefaz]

Forgot to say went for a run last night up to and around the memorial park and all entrances to vehicles were locked

Council have said all council parks car parks are to be closed off

 

[Marty]

How does getting it wrong on this occasion equate to often getting it wrong?

They're only wrong when they have a different view point with you?

 

[clint van damme]

He made the comment on exactly the same day Boris made his infamous handshake comment that gets a lot of traction in this thread. Either both were stupid or both can use the excuse they were just going off expert advice at the time.

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The Boris handshake got so much traction because when people were speculating that might be how he caught the virus people were saying it didn't happen despite video evidence.
The way (I think Chris Whitty) stepped in at the press conference would also suggest the PM was not adhering to what he'd been told.

 

[Skybluefaz]

It's not crazy, he was advised this by phe so that's what he told Londoners.

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WITH HINDSIGHT IT SEEMS CRAZY. YOU REALLY ARE AS BAD AS GRENDEL

 

[TomRad85]

And the logical question is “who appointed these experts”, and from what I see & read that line most likely stops somewhere in the vicinity of Dominic Cummings, the real PM, who values ‘science’ and eugenics more than genuine experts in their own disciplines.

Thats just guess work though, you would like to think the people employed to advise on this kind of thing are people are the top of their field, which is worrying if this is the best we have to offer, but still.

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[clint van damme]

They're only wrong when they have a different view point with you?

Your ability to make massive leaps like that is incredible (and not in a good way).

 

[shmmeee]

I have criticized many white politicians and experts as well over the handling off this outbreak, or am I only allowed to mention a brown politician if I mention a white one at the same time?

No, you’re supposed to have actual criticism and not shit ripped straight from the Britain First FB feed.

 

[Otis]

WITH HINDSIGHT IT SEEMS CRAZY. YOU REALLY ARE AS BAD AS GRENDEL

Crazy from PHE, yes.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Crazy from PHE, yes.

Yes, just the notion in itself

 

[clint van damme]

No, you’re supposed to have actual criticism and not shit ripped straight from the Britain First FB feed.

Did you get tested Shmmeee?

 

[skybluetony176]

Also worth pointing out that the NHS also has a disproportionately high number of BAME staff, especially true of doctors and nurses. In fact when you think about it of all the pictures they’ve shown of doctors who have come out of retirement to help the NHS, caught Coronavirus and then subsequently died I’m struggling to remember seeing a picture of a white doctor being amongst them. I think they announced another death of a retired doctor coming out retirement yesterday and he was from Sri Lanka originally. Maybe the Lurker should be looking for these stories and then having a long hard think about his life.