Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (136 Viewers)

Brylowes

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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How do you think I'm going to respond?

By asking how I think you're going to respond....and thus sidestepping you saying that ICU staff didn't need face masks.

But should you actually try and answer the question as to why they don't need facemasks I've got excuse/reason No.1 in mind. And no I'm not revealing any clues.
 

Astute

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Even the most ardent Brexiteer must see there are more pressing priorities and a delay has to happen... Surely?
You would like to think so. But you can never be sure. 'Let's get Brexit done' was the pledge. No extensions. How single minded is Boris?
 

Walsgrave

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Well this is brave if nothing else


I see, he's one of those 'consultants' that society puts on a pedestal. Scary thing is that because they get paid ridiculous money, people like him are probably getting the full whack of £2.5k a month and they're spending their time chatting shit about, in their eyes, NHS scum. The irony is that such people rely on the existence of problems in the NHS to actually justify their existence. It's why I disagree with the 80% of wages furlough policy as opposed to a flat rate/basic income - we're rewarding these people more for doing the same job (i.e. nothing) while the economy is down.
 

chiefdave

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I see, he's one of those 'consultants' that society puts on a pedestal. Scary thing is that because they get paid ridiculous money, people like him are probably getting the full whack of £2.5k a month and they're spending their time chatting shit about, in their eyes, NHS scum.
Also seems to be plenty of replies agreeing with him.
 

Ring Of Steel

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I see, he's one of those 'consultants' that society puts on a pedestal. Scary thing is that because they get paid ridiculous money, people like him are probably getting the full whack of £2.5k a month and they're spending their time chatting shit about, in their eyes, NHS scum. The irony is that such people rely on the existence of problems in the NHS to actually justify their existence. It's why I disagree with the 80% of wages furlough policy as opposed to a flat rate/basic income - we're rewarding these people more for doing the same job (i.e. nothing) while the economy is down.

The Telegraph is full of people like him, it’s full of “experts”. The way that so much death is being normalised is repugnant
 

CCFCSteve

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Surely the medical experts should decide the frequency for changing PPE - not a bloody Health Minister.

Of course they should.....

‘The Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, Royal College of Nursing and Royal College of Midwives have played a lead role in developing the guidance with member organisations providing practical input into the advice.
Professor Carrie MacEwen, Chair, Academy of Medical Royal Colleges said:
This is the combined result of experts in infection control working with front ine clinicians to provide the best guidance on the protection and safety of all healthcare staff, in any circumstances, based on scientific evidence; while taking into account the real-life clinical circumstances faced by staff and the concerns they have raised about their own, and their patients safety’

If ministers etc were saying ‘we aren’t paying for this’ or were refusing to do something that helped, then of course the blame would lie solely with them but in reality there will be hundreds, if not thousands of managers/admin involved to procure and distribute the equipment. It’s the same with the testing and Private Health England (PHE apparently not initially actively engaging with universities and private sector to help - was this under ministers direction or because they wanted to retain full control ? Who currently knows)

Questions can and will rightly be asked about adequate stockpiling (whether decisions were made for financial/austerity reasons etc etc) and whether supply chains were adequate or robust. no doubt ministers/Secretaries of State will ultimately carry the can, possibly rightly so, but there will also be a raft of people underneath that may or may not have done their jobs properly.

That’s not a defence of governments in general that’s just the real world.
 

CCFCSteve

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But yet apparently all the PPE is in place, is ‘ineffective’ anyway and there’s nothing to apologise for



Hancock should’ve just apologised and said ‘we are doing everything we can to ensure no more lives are lost with more regular testing and better distribution of adequate PPE’ - not hard !

ps so much for going cold turkey and avoiding the thread. Have a good bank holiday Monday all
 

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