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David O'Day

David O'Day

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chiefdave said:
To be honest I think this serves more as further evidence that certain groups weren't actually concerned with anti-semitism rather than showing Starmer leaping into action.

Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say he knew nothing of the report, or the actions detailed in it, until he saw it on the news today. Think his response to it will be key to determining if he can unite the party.

Its one thing to say it but you only have to take a brief look at social media to see there are many who don't believe it and see him as Blair 2.0. He had a chance to make a statement of unity with his cabinet but went the other way instead, Reeves in particular a strange appointment in that regard even discarding the anti-semitism issue.

He's got a lame duck government at the moment making a complete mess of a crisis and should also have a new leader bounce. So while its fair to say give him a chance he can't drift along for too long.
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The standard polling normal are not applicable at the moment.

In a crisis caused by outside forces incumbent governments will poll extremely well.

It will be more telling inthe aftermath than the actually crisis.

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fernandopartridge

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Astute said:
But you keep having a go at him when nothing suggests he has done anything wrong. And then you have a go at him for not doing anything in the last 4 days when he has.

As I keep saying we should give him a chance. If he fails then have a go.
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He's been nothing short of pathetic so far but agree he needs a chance, the mood music is not encouraging

"it's not the time to go over what's happened before" the Tories have won 4 elections doing exactly that ffs

"nurses should get a medal" fuck platitudinous rubbish like that, they deserve better pay and conditions, and all the resources they need to do their job, not a fucking medal

Tbh with you I have less time for the mendacious centrist cunts like Phillips than I do the Tories, people willing their own side to lose an election are beyond contempt, careerist arseholes
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
Well one person says that. My point about Ireland is it’s a very different country to England. It’s more similar to Sweden and is running at the same death rate per population despite a very different approach
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Yesterday you used a single person (Chris Smith) to suggest PPE equipment wasn't effective. And that you took massively out of context as he was talking specifically about the general public, not frontline NHS staff.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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shmmeee said:
Good numbers today, even accounting for the suppressed weekend. Wait until Wednesdays numbers this week, here’s hoping we don’t break 1000, then we’ll probably have hit a peak for now.
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It'd be great if we didn't, but I'm prepared for the likelihood we will. It would be good to start seeing the figures start to decline soon, but I think we've still got a little way to go yet unfortunately.
 
Tommo1993

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David O'Day said:
Grenners gets his government money paid directly into his bank like every other universal credit claimant

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clint van damme

clint van damme

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chiefdave said:
To be honest I think this serves more as further evidence that certain groups weren't actually concerned with anti-semitism rather than showing Starmer leaping into action.

Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say he knew nothing of the report, or the actions detailed in it, until he saw it on the news today. Think his response to it will be key to determining if he can unite the party.

Its one thing to say it but you only have to take a brief look at social media to see there are many who don't believe it and see him as Blair 2.0. He had a chance to make a statement of unity with his cabinet but went the other way instead, Reeves in particular a strange appointment in that regard even discarding the anti-semitism issue.

He's got a lame duck government at the moment making a complete mess of a crisis and should also have a new leader bounce. So while its fair to say give him a chance he can't drift along for too long.
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To be honest I can understand him purging Corbyn affiliates from the shadow cabinet
Corbyn tried to go down the conciliatory route and it bit him on the arse.
But if you're going to play hard ball then.play hard ball with the opposition as well. He's missing a lot of opportunities at the moment.
 
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clint van damme said:
To be honest I can understand him purging Corbyn affiliates from the shadow cabinet
Corbyn tried to go down the conciliatory route and it bit him on the arse.
But if you're going to play hard ball then.play hard ball with the opposition as well. He's missing a lot of opportunities at the moment.
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I actually think it'd go badly being confrontational now.
 
Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Yesterday you used a single person (Chris Smith) to suggest PPE equipment wasn't effective. And that you took massively out of context as he was talking specifically about the general public, not frontline NHS staff.
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The comment was aimed at someone who said he’d had personal equipment delivered through his door
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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Getting back to ppe. The conservatives still are not apologising for the lack of ppe.

Parliament needs to be recalled virtually so the government can be held to account as the press aren't doing it at the daily briefings. It's telling that the best and most insightful question the other day was asked by someone from the ladbible

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skybluetony176

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David O'Day said:
Getting back to ppe. The conservatives still are not apologising for the lack of ppe.

Parliament needs to be recalled virtually so the government can be held to account as the press aren't doing it at the daily briefings. It's telling that the best and most insightful question the other day was asked by someone from the ladbible

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I saw on the news that aprons are now becoming chronically short in availability.
 
Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Then how about this?

How do you think I’m going to respond? I’m intrigued - well I’m not but let’s pretend I am

I've got an inkling how you're going to respond but it'll be interesting to see if I'm right....
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Astute

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clint van damme said:
I don't agree
The Tories are still doing it.
No.mistake, for all the genteel tone, Hancock PPE comments were a sniidey little attack on NHS staff. Call him out on it, put him under pressure and see what happens.
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The Tories can afford to act like twats. The last GE made sure of this. And what can Starmer do until they can see each other face to face?

Starmer needs to show them for what they are. I fully agree. But using only the media which is mainly on the side of the Tories?
 
David O'Day

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Theres many doctors who are trying to work I the nhs but because they trained overseas the GMC, home office and dhsc are not allowing the to register



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David O'Day

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As with regards to the labour report mentioned earlier. The centrist aren't coming across very well at all.

There's 2 head office staffers that come across really badly

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Brylowes

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I think we can expect to be seeing a lot more of this sort of thing from Labour going forward

Modern Israel is a beacon of ‘Freedom’ ‘Equality’ and ‘Democracy’

Apologies if already posted.

 
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Ian1779

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Brylowes said:
I think we can expect to be seeing a lot more of this sort of thing from Labour going forward

Modern Israel is a beacon of ‘Freedom’ ‘Equality’ and ‘Democracy’

Apologies if already posted.

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Who knew apartheid was spelt this way....
 
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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PVA said:
We have left in name only. We are still part of just about everything in the EU we just have no say in anything (taking back control).
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It became law on the 31st January 2020 and by the end of this this year it's, Deal or No Deal.
 
fernandopartridge

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RegTheDonk said:
I don't think the crisis would be worse under Labour, but I don't see how it would have been any better. If this was predictable who can honestly say what steps they would have taken months ago at the last election. Yes, they might have pledged a shit load more dosh into the NHS ... but would it have paid for Captain Hindsight stockpiling for the current crisis, or just more staff and better wages?

Whoever was in charge it it still wouldn't have stopped what happened in China and I doubt very much Labour would have done much different to stop it making its way over here. Would they have locked down the airports and the sea ports?

As for herd immunity, they would probabaly have listened to the same experts getting it wrong. Would Jezza go against them?

Think we need to all stop the policitial what if's and concentrate on a way forward.
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I highly doubt Labour would have pursued the herd immunity strategy which lost days. Maybe you shouldlook up some articles into the impact of even just one less day of social distancing. The Tories let this into the community and then let it spread.
The panel of experts oddly gave great weight to the nudge unit, so it wasn't necessarily epidemiologists giving all of this advice, it was a balance of expert opinion arranged to support herd immunity.
 
Brylowes

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Brylowes said:
I think we can expect to be seeing a lot more of this sort of thing from Labour going forward

Modern Israel is a beacon of ‘Freedom’ ‘Equality’ and ‘Democracy’

Apologies if already posted.

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HANDS UP !! :emoji_rolling_eyes: I posted this clip believing it to be a recent clip, just checked and it’s from
2017 I do apologise ‘that’ll teach me to check.
But I do still think we will see more of this from Labour.
 
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