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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The most patronising thing I’ve heard from any mp in the last few years is Rees-Mogg going on about Brexit putting shoes on feet as if we should be grateful for the basic necessity of shoes, not that it was ever an issue pre Brexit.

Did you see the thing from when he was first campaigning to become an MP and people were laughing at him because he'd taken his nanny with him. His response being "I don't know why they're laughing - if it'd been my valet they'd have considered it perfectly normal"

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

No I was quoting him as an example of someone you’d expect to be a labour voter and what would a vote for labour do to enhance his quality of life and oddly no one has yet answered

So I asked you how to appeal to someone who wants to kill immigrants and oddly you never answered

 

[Ring Of Steel]

No I was quoting him as an example of someone you’d expect to be a labour voter and what would a vote for labour do to enhance his quality of life and oddly no one has yet answered

I would perhaps argue (maybe naively) that as someone who clearly has massive chips on both shoulders about foreigners, immigrants, young people and indeed anyone he sees as different to himself, that any attempt to pigeonhole him as ‘typical labour’ is somewhat misguided

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Did you see the thing from when he was first campaigning to become an MP and people were laughing at him because he'd taken his nanny with him. His response being "I don't know why they're laughing - if it'd been my valet they'd have considered it perfectly normal"

really? His nanny?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

really? His nanny?

Not just his nanny but the family one.

 

[Grendel]

Because you definitely don't see the likes of Johnson, JRM, Cameron etc. thinking they're superior to 'ordinary' folk and know what's best for them? But they patronise them in a plummy accent so that's fine.

It’s fine as they are politicians who want people to vote for them.

The conservatives win elections because they have strategies to win them whereas labour other than Blair who was excellent at it don’t

Labour is obsessed with its members. Members of parties are not the general public

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I would perhaps argue (maybe naively) that as someone who clearly has massive chips on both shoulders about foreigners, immigrants, young people and indeed anyone he sees as different to himself, that any attempt to pigeonhole him as ‘typical labour’ is somewhat misguided

I’m guessing he’ll either run away or deflect. My money’s on deflection

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Not just his nanny but the family one.

that’s brilliant, I never knew that

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No I was quoting him as an example of someone you’d expect to be a labour voter and what would a vote for labour do to enhance his quality of life and oddly no one has yet answered

No you asked what would Labour do to help his aspirations to be monetarily rich? I answered about what they'd do to enhance quality of life with things like healthcare and public services alongside many other things that improve quality of life, but they difficult to put a monetary value so obviously are worthless in your mind, when in reality a lot of them are priceless.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

that’s brilliant, I never knew that

I think they went on Archibald Kyle in ‘My Viscount Made A Pass At My Nanny!’

 

[Grendel]

No you asked what would Labour do to help his aspirations to be monetarily rich? I answered about what they'd do to enhance quality of life with things like healthcare and public services alongside many other things that improve quality of life, but they difficult to put a monetary value so obviously are worthless in your mind, when in reality a lot of them are priceless.

There is zero evidence they would

People generally put policies first that impact their own lives and basic securities - most only see interested in politics bear elections. They have little real interest in policies and generally have little faith politicians will deliver them anyway - again you are trying to bring people up to what you believe are superior behaviours

Most wont and don’t

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There is zero evidence they would

People generally put policies first that impact their own lives and basic securities - most only see interested in politics bear elections. They have little real interest in policies and generally have little faith politicians will deliver them anyway - again you are trying to bring people up to what you believe are superior behaviours

Most wont and don’t

So it’s who can tell the most convincing lies?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

There is zero evidence they would

People generally put policies first that impact their own lives and basic securities - most only see interested in politics bear elections. They have little real interest in policies and generally have little faith politicians will deliver them anyway - again you are trying to bring people up to what you believe are superior behaviours

Most wont and don’t

so what you’re saying is that because politicians are so bad people just try to protect themselves by voting for whoever they perceive as doing more ‘for them’, because they feel that a vote for the ‘greater good’ is just a waste of time.

Isn’t that kind of the point? That too many people have been indoctrinated, socialised, educated and basically steamrollered into believing that striving to have more than your neighbour is the ultimate life goal?

I am not saying your views are wrong, rather that they are underpinned by everything that you are told to think by certain political factions. Look at the media- we lost all sense of balance a long time ago- either main party could advocate killing baby seals at 5pm every day and their media supporters would justify it. There’s no balance anywhere, just lies

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It’s fine as they are politicians who want people to vote for them.

The conservatives win elections because they have strategies to win them whereas labour other than Blair who was excellent at it don’t

Labour is obsessed with its members. Members of parties are not the general public

I agree with the latter points - Labour tend to go by policy and (naively) trust in the general public to look deeper into the issues and their proposed solutions. Tories go with soundbites, slogans, smears and spin. So not surprising the only Labour leader to win was one who had a more 'Tory-esque' battle plan towards elections. They need to get out of the echo chamber. If they want to win it's not the members that need convincing - it's the ones that aren't. Stop preaching to the converted.

Why I have no intention of ever joining a single political party. It's not the people who think like me I need to mainly push my thoughts and ideas on. It's the ones that don't. My focus wouldn't be on the likes of shmmeee, tony, ian etc - it'd be on the likes of you (well, I'd probably start with someone a bit less entrenched but the principle stands)

But your first sentence makes no sense. it's apparently fine for the likes of JRM etc to patronise people and know what's best for them because they're politicians. But not the likes of Corbyn? Who is a politician.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

HM the Queen has very graciously decided not to proceed with a cannon salute for one of her two birthdays this year. She has said it wouldn’t be appropriate-although it was for all the other times

 

[Grendel]

so what you’re saying is that because politicians are so bad people just try to protect themselves by voting for whoever they perceive as doing more ‘for them’, because they feel that a vote for the ‘greater good’ is just a waste of time.

Isn’t that kind of the point? That too many people have been indoctrinated, socialised, educated and basically steamrollered into believing that striving to have more than your neighbour is the ultimate life goal?

I am not saying your views are wrong, rather that they are underpinned by everything that you are told to think by certain political factions. Look at the media- we lost all sense of balance a long time ago- either main party could advocate killing baby seals at 5pm every day and their media supporters would justify it. There’s no balance anywhere, just lies

No I’m saying the labour strategy is wrong. You see it on here - the membership are trying to force concepts down the wider publics throat and then blame everyone else for when it all falls over - it’s laughable

It was the easiest campaign for the Tories to win

Any business would look at the most successful period in its history as ways to recover - not try and airbrush then from history

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

There is zero evidence they would

People generally put policies first that impact their own lives and basic securities - most only see interested in politics bear elections. They have little real interest in policies and generally have little faith politicians will deliver them anyway - again you are trying to bring people up to what you believe are superior behaviours

Most wont and don’t

So in two sentences you say "people generally put policies first that impact their own lives and securities" then a few words later "they have little real interest in policies".

I think you're right on the latter sentence. They don't. As I've already said it's soundbites and slogans. If they put policies that impact their own lives and securities they wouldn't be voting for a party that consistently reduces funding to things like healthcare and police.

But thanks for agreeing that I'm trying to bring people UP to superior behaviours rather DOWN to their most base selfish ones.

 

[tisza]

You can buy a house not too far from me for less than 40k. But people still rent. Why is this?

How about what would happen if these landlords didn't buy properties to rent out. Where would those who can't buy live?

Interesting this.
Talking to one of my brothers and some friends in UK (1 in Brum, rest in London) who have seriously realized how much work can be done from home and are looking at the merits of relocating (particularly northwards) due to the cost of housing (and the rent/mortgages they are currently paying).

 

[shmmeee]

really? His nanny?

They look like an 80s electro pop duo:

 

[Ring Of Steel]

No I’m saying the labour strategy is wrong. You see it on here - the membership are trying to force concepts down the wider publics throat and then blame everyone else for when it all falls over - it’s laughable

It was the easiest campaign for the Tories to win

Any business would look at the most successful period in its history as ways to recover - not try and airbrush then from history

I remember the night of the election, I thought it might be close so decided to watch (until falling asleep), but then within 2 mins of the coverage starting they showed the exit poll and it was clear it was going to be a bit of a walkover. I was amazed, everything I’d seen hinted at it being way closer.

 

[David O'Day]

He still earns more than me I think

Great, but he's a bellend with no real skills and a decent but not really amazing salary

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Any business would look at the most successful period in its history as ways to recover - not try and airbrush then from history

So I guess things like the tea and cotton industries should look to bring back slavery then?

 

[shmmeee]

So in two sentences you say "people generally put policies first that impact their own lives and securities" then a few words later "they have little real interest in policies".

I think you're right on the latter sentence. They don't. As I've already said it's soundbites and slogans. If they put policies that impact their own lives and securities they wouldn't be voting for a party that consistently reduces funding to things like healthcare and police.

But thanks for agreeing that I'm trying to bring people UP to superior behaviours rather DOWN to their most base selfish ones.

There's a saying in sales “people buy people” I think it’s fair to say in politics “people vote for people”.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Interesting this.
Talking to one of my brothers and some friends in UK (1 in Brum, rest in London) who have seriously realized how much work can be done from home and are looking at the merits of relocating (particularly northwards) due to the cost of housing (and the rent/mortgages they are currently paying).

I’m also considering ‘going it alone’- well, have been for a few years really and almost did before leaving, but this situation has taught me that it’s easy, doable and there are lots of people that need a bit of help.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

They look like an 80s electro pop duo:

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Is that her? That looks like a poster for a horror film

 

[David O'Day]

So I guess things like the tea and cotton industries should look to bring back slavery then?

Grenners is comedy gold.

Thick as mince and a fantasist to boot

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[Ring Of Steel]

So I guess things like the tea and cotton industries should look to bring back slavery then?

In fairness that’s a hard one to come back on

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Interesting this.
Talking to one of my brothers and some friends in UK (1 in Brum, rest in London) who have seriously realized how much work can be done from home and are looking at the merits of relocating (particularly northwards) due to the cost of housing (and the rent/mortgages they are currently paying).

When QCDA moved to Butts and some of the London staff moved one of the things they said was they couldn't believe the kind of properties they could afford. One woman said she sold her one bedroom London flat and bought a 4 bed house with a massive garden with the proceeds.

 

[Grendel]

So in two sentences you say "people generally put policies first that impact their own lives and securities" then a few words later "they have little real interest in policies".

I think you're right on the latter sentence. They don't. As I've already said it's soundbites and slogans. If they put policies that impact their own lives and securities they wouldn't be voting for a party that consistently reduces funding to things like healthcare and police.

But thanks for agreeing that I'm trying to bring people UP to superior behaviours rather DOWN to their most base selfish ones.

You can see there are a couple big things most are interested in stability and security most are not interested in schemes such as nationalisation, free internet places on boards for individuals - it’s will I pay more or less tax will my life be enhanced or not and that’s it

 

[shmmeee]

Grenners is comedy gold.

Thick as mince and a fantasist to boot

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Bog standard pub bore.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You can see there are a couple big things most are interested in stability and security most are not interested in schemes such as nationalisation, free internet places on boards for individuals - it’s will I pay more or less tax will my life be enhanced or not and that’s it

yes but why are people thinking that way?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I’m never going back to the barbers ever again, this clippers lark is a piece of piss

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I’m descending into madness more each day, I’m off on the bike- have a superb day my sky blue colleagues, whatever political party you support

 

[tisza]

Members of parties are not the general public

Key point this.
Voters are individuals no matter how much people try and bloc them into groupings
All parties susceptible to vested interests.
But, for example, large Trade Unions that are Labour backers can't actually block deliver their members votes in an election. Large companies that back Conservative party can't block deliver their employees' votes. All these entities are not members per se but they are just as influential as individual members in many ways.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

it’s will I pay more or less tax will my life be enhanced or not and that’s it

I think you're correct on this point but that's down to indoctrination over many generations that gets passed on. When you say 'will my life be enhanced' what you mean is "will I have more money/belongings". Places like Scandi see an enhanced life in a far more holisitic way.