Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (46 Viewers)

fernandopartridge

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...meanwhile their dumb fascination of forever inflating the stupid housing bubble continues......

......stamp duty holidays, guarantees for banks to encourage more reckless lending on overpriced houses......like thats never had a bad ending before....fucking moronic.
House price inflation is their key policy for 40 years
 

shmmeee

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Tax on profit does not reduce demand. The freeze on the personal allowance will though.

No, it does reduce investment though. Which is what we desperately needed post Brexit and now need even more.

Sunak just isn’t up to the level required to be a Chancellor in a time of crisis. Too worried about PR and making silly political decisions because he’s not smart or serious enough to make good economic ones.

The rise in CT is purely political to get the left up in arms. The housing bubble he wants to stoke. The funding of Tory target seats. Nothing on health and social care, the changing nature of work, the climate, post Brexit Britain. It could’ve been a George Osbourne budget.
 

Evo1883

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Funny how there's no mention of Eat Out to Help Out (or maybe Die Out) in that clip.

The BBC are abysmal these days, just a Tory propaganda machine.

Wait... I don't disagree with you.. But I've had many arguments on here in the past about the media, but I was told they are reliable, impartial and trustworthy.
People seem to pick and choose what's trustworthy based off their political stance it seems... I just think they are untrustworthy full stop
 

shmmeee

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Wait... I don't disagree with you.. But I've had many arguments on here in the past about the media, but I was told they are reliable, impartial and trustworthy.
People seem to pick and choose what's trustworthy based off their political stance it seems... I just think they are untrustworthy full stop

I think trustworthy is the wrong metric. They’re all trustworthy to give an account of events according to their biases. The BBC is biased towards the government of the day (and liberal politics/economics because of that). Don’t look for unbiased media, look to take into account everyone’s bias and triangulate the truth.

If you think you’ve found a trustworthy source it probably just has the same biases as you. But overall professional journalism of almost all kinds is light years ahead of the closest alternative.
 

fernandopartridge

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No, it does reduce investment though. Which is what we desperately needed post Brexit and now need even more.

Sunak just isn’t up to the level required to be a Chancellor in a time of crisis. Too worried about PR and making silly political decisions because he’s not smart or serious enough to make good economic ones.

The rise in CT is purely political to get the left up in arms. The housing bubble he wants to stoke. The funding of Tory target seats. Nothing on health and social care, the changing nature of work, the climate, post Brexit Britain. It could’ve been a George Osbourne budget.
Investment is tax deductible?

Did the CT cuts of the last 10 years increase business investment?
 

Ian1779

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The wealth of billionaires has increased massively during this pandemic, just as small
businesses and normal have lost probably just as much collectively. Yet there is no mechanism in place to deal with this... this is why radical change is needed.
 

shmmeee

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The wealth of billionaires has increased massively during this pandemic, just as small
businesses and normal have lost probably just as much collectively. Yet there is no mechanism in place to deal with this... this is why radical change is needed.

Any party not taxing property, inheritance, capital gains, and pensions isn’t serious about taxation. Income means nothing, tax the wealth.
 

Ian1779

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Got to love that effective strategy there for the opposition.... thank god we ditched the crazy commie shadow chancellor.
 

shmmeee

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They’re having underground dinner parties for the vaccinated apparently. Fair play, that demographic has generally been the best at following rules. Let em have fucked up coke orgies dinner parties.
 

chiefdave

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How have they come up with that stat? Half seems a lot!

Is the suggestion it is deliberate flouting of the rules or just them not understanding what applies post vaccination? I've had that with my parents who believed a couple of weeks post vaccination they were allowed to do whatever they wanted.
 

Philosoraptor

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Got to love that effective strategy there for the opposition.... thank god we ditched the crazy commie shadow chancellor.


Waiting for mass resignations from shadow cabinet and a letter from West Mids councillors asking for Starmer to resign.
 

Nick

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How have they come up with that stat? Half seems a lot!

Is the suggestion it is deliberate flouting of the rules or just them not understanding what applies post vaccination? I've had that with my parents who believed a couple of weeks post vaccination they were allowed to do whatever they wanted.

Isn't it the same thing though?
 

SBT

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Have they?

Was looking into this the other day. A UCL study says older people are slightly more compliant than younger people, but only on certain things and not by much. Overall, compliance is very high.

Page 64:
https://b6bdcb03-332c-4ff9-8b9d-28f...d/3d9db5_bf013154aed5484b970c0cf84ff109e9.pdf

There's a big push coming in the US to persuade people that once you get vaccinated you'll be able to do a lot more socializing with other vaccinated people, which makes sense to me. So good for the old guys I say.
 

Nick

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Was looking into this the other day. A UCL study says older people are slightly more compliant than younger people, but only on certain things and not by much. Overall, compliance is very high.

Page 64:
https://b6bdcb03-332c-4ff9-8b9d-28f...d/3d9db5_bf013154aed5484b970c0cf84ff109e9.pdf

There's a big push coming in the US to persuade people that once you get vaccinated you'll be able to do a lot more socializing with other vaccinated people, which makes sense to me. So good for the old guys I say.

Not much different to very low risk people socialising with very low risk people from the start?
 

SBT

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Not much different to very low risk people socialising with very low risk people from the start?

Well, the difference is that your example could lead to those people infecting each other. The strong assumption (and yes, it's still technically just an assumption) is that vaccinated people mixing wouldn't.
 

Nick

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Well, the difference is that your example could lead to those people infecting each other. The strong assumption (and yes, it's still technically just an assumption) is that vaccinated people mixing wouldn't.

I thought they could still spread it even if vaccinated?
 

SBT

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I thought they could still spread it even if vaccinated?

Well the vaccines are so new, they haven't proved it definitively either way, so that's why the rules are still in place for now. But all the recent evidence is that you won't spread it once you're vaccinated (same as most other vaccines we're used to) Covid vaccines may stop spread ‘almost completely’

Hopefully the more studies we get like that, the more likely it is that vaccinated people will be told they can go and do whatever they please. I know what I'd be doing if I'd been done.
 

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