USSR invades Ukraine. (14 Viewers)

[rob9872]

Fair play to see David Cameron driving a lorry carrying aid over to the Poland Ukraine border.

 

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[JAM See]

Fair play to see David Cameron driving a lorry carrying aid over to the Poland Ukraine border.

If he does make it to Ukraine, it wouldn't be the first time the twat has made an ill advised decision to leave the EU

 

[Grendel]

If he does make it to Ukraine, it wouldn't be the first time the twat has made an ill advised decision to leave the EU

he didn’t choose to the public did

 

[rob9872]

If he does make it to Ukraine, it wouldn't be the first time the twat has made an ill advised decision to leave the EU

He actually was on the side of remain which is why his tenure as PM had to come to an end.

 

[clint van damme]

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What the hell is wrong with these people? His personal friend and his idol?

A man who suppresses his own people, who rigs elections so he can't lose, who arrests those for even silent protest, who has his opponents either killed or imprisoned, who breaks international law and uses banned weapons and who deliberately targets civilians in times of war?

That personal friend and idol?

Duterte is an absolute crackpot. Some of the stuff he's said and done is absolutely mental.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

he didn’t choose to the public did

It was him that thought it was a good idea to ask - stupid stupid non leader

 

[skybluetony176]

he didn’t choose to the Kremlin did

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Watching world war 2 in colour

Lots of similarities and major differences.

The support of the Ukraine army being one and the bravery of their army and population another

 

[Frostie]

Watching world war 2 in colour

Lots of similarities and major differences.

The support of the Ukraine army being one and the bravery of their army and population another

The "Greatest" Events one on Netflix?
Very good series. The penultimate episode at Buchenwald is horrifying.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The "Greatest" Events one on Netflix?
Very good series. The penultimate episode at Buchenwald is horrifying.

What’s it called? In isolation and feeling rotten so time on my hands

 

[Frostie]

What’s it called? In isolation and feeling rotten so time on my hands

Ah, sorry to hear that mate, hope you're better soon.

This is the one I've seen:

Watch Greatest Events of WWII in Colour | Netflix

From the attack on Pearl Harbor to D-Day, the most pivotal events of World War II come to life in this vivid docuseries featuring colorized footage.

www.netflix.com

There's another I've not seen yet:

Watch WWII in Color: Road to Victory | Netflix Official Site

Gripping historical footage and expert commentary give detailed insights into the leading figures and decisive turning points of World War II.

www.netflix.com

 

[Macca]

China, North Korea and Islamic Extremists sitting back chilling and smoking a cigar watching this

 

[Flying Fokker]

Ukraine Confirms Fifth Russian General Has Been Killed

Photo Illustration by Luis G. Rendon/The Daily Beast/TwitterThe Ukrainian military claimed to have killed yet another Russian general, this time Lieutenant-General Andrei Mordvichev, making him the fifth to die so far in the conflict. Mordvichev, who led the 8th General Army of the Southern...

uk.yahoo.com

 

[Finham]

The "Greatest" Events one on Netflix?
Very good series. The penultimate episode at Buchenwald is horrifying.

I want to watch it but the "colourised" footage is putting me off-is there a lot of it? I always get bugged by having seen some of the footage before in B&W and imagined it looking totally different to them in colour, resulting in me shouting "they don't know!" and my partner telling me to calm down and be quiet.

 

[stupot07]

[Ukraine crisis: claims Mariupol women and children forcibly sent to Russia]



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[Sky Blue Pete]

[Ukraine crisis: claims Mariupol women and children forcibly sent to Russia]



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Awful

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The inhumanity in war is just awful. The Dresden programme shows just what war does to people. Dresden was an awful war crime but we won so no one was punished

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The inhumanity in war is just awful. The Dresden programme shows just what war does to people. Dresden was an awful war crime but we won so no one was punished

The debate becomes it was ok because they murdered hundreds of thousands in the camps after. Well uh no it wasn’t ok it was an act of inhumanity

 

[tisza]

an awful war crime but we won so no one was punished

Pretty much Putin's strategy at the moment

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The debate becomes it was ok because they murdered hundreds of thousands in the camps after. Well uh no it wasn’t ok it was an act of inhumanity

Having said that you are right the buechenwald episode is beyond comprehension that a great Christian civilised nation can be turned into the most evil group of bastards shows what humans are capable of. Kindness might be the most revolutionary activity humans will ever know

44000 camps ffs

 

[Flying Fokker]

The inhumanity in war is just awful. The Dresden programme shows just what war does to people. Dresden was an awful war crime but we won so no one was punished

And Franfurt amongst beautiful cities.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

And Franfurt amongst beautiful cities.

Us bombing of Japan! Oh my

And I’m pretty certain morally the atomic bombing was as wrong as the holocaust

 

[Frostie]

I want to watch it but the "colourised" footage is putting me off-is there a lot of it? I always get bugged by having seen some of the footage before in B&W and imagined it looking totally different to them in colour, resulting in me shouting "they don't know!" and my partner telling me to calm down and be quiet.

Ha ha. Yes, lots of colour.

 

[SBT]

And I’m pretty certain morally the atomic bombing was as wrong as the holocaust

I honestly don’t know how you would argue this. At least there was a utilitarian argument to justify the atomic bombings.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I honestly don’t know how you would argue this. At least there was a utilitarian argument to justify the atomic bombings.

Nagasaki was unnecessary and only possible as Americans felt the Japanese were less than them as a race I mean. What was the utilitarian argument ?

 

[Grendel]

Nagasaki was unnecessary and only possible as Americans felt the Japanese were less than them as a race I mean. What was the utilitarian argument ?

its a really stupid argument to make

 

[xcraigx]

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

its a really stupid argument to make

Many are. What is it in any case? I just think having seen it again that USA wouldn’t have dreamt of doing what they did to the Japanese to the Germans and it was probably down to them thinking of them as somehow subhuman. I’m also pretty convinced now that any nation is capable of any and all measures of evil. War is just shit

 

[Grendel]

Many are. What is it in any case? I just think having seen it again that USA wouldn’t have dreamt of doing what they did to the Japanese to the Germans and it was probably down to them thinking of them as somehow subhuman. I’m also pretty convinced now that any nation is capable of any and all measures of evil. War is just shit

you really aren’t very clued up on WW2 are you. Even that dribbling converted leftie Matthew Paris oddly in an article in The Times yesterday said the nuclear bombs were necessary and ultimately justified by what came from the consequence. He was comparing it to Putin which I found a bit odd but I guess he was making a point about a future if Russia gets defeated

 

[SBT]

Nagasaki was unnecessary and only possible as Americans felt the Japanese were less than them as a race I mean. What was the utilitarian argument ?

The argument - which I’m not even arguing myself here, nor do you have to agree with it - is that the atomic bombs forced a Japanese surrender, which prevented a much more deadly and protracted conflict.

As horrendous as the atomic bombings were, at least they were done for strategic military reasons, which can’t be said for the Holocaust. The only real strategy there was to eradicate a race of people.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

you really aren’t very clued up on WW2 are you. Even that dribbling converted leftie Matthew Paris oddly in an article in The Times yesterday said the nuclear bombs were necessary and ultimately justified by what came from the consequence. He was comparing it to Putin which I found a bit odd but I guess he was making a point about a future if Russia gets defeated

Maybe that argument can be made for the first bomb. Once that goes off Japan would have surrendered anyway. The second was overkill.

Also, as has been pointed out, it all depends on the victors. Let's say the Japanese/Germans etc had rallied and won the war - do you not think the Amercian's would've been in front of a war crimes trial? Or would it then have been justified for America dropping even more nuclear bombs? If Japan ever became the dominant force in world politics you can bet they'd be calling for them to be classified historically as war crimes.

Let's get really hypothetical and say Russia and Putin went on to not only win this war but go on to gain absolute control. Who will they be putting in the dock as the 'bad guys'? Now let's say Russia gets trounced - Putin could be tried as a war criminal. China should be in court of more human rights violations that could in some cases be called genocide, but are far more likely in the future to be the ones having huge influence over the direction of 'human rights'.

The overriding factor about the perception of the nuclear bombs was who won.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Maybe that argument can be made for the first bomb. Once that goes off Japan would have surrendered anyway. The second was overkill.

Also, as has been pointed out, it all depends on the victors. Let's say the Japanese/Germans etc had rallied and won the war - do you not think the Amercian's would've been in front of a war crimes trial? Or would it then have been justified for America dropping even more nuclear bombs? If Japan ever became the dominant force in world politics you can bet they'd be calling for them to be classified historically as war crimes.

Let's get really hypothetical and say Russia and Putin went on to not only win this war but go on to gain absolute control. Who will they be putting in the dock as the 'bad guys'? Now let's say Russia gets trounced - Putin could be tried as a war criminal. China should be in court of more human rights violations that could in some cases be called genocide, but are far more likely in the future to be the ones having huge influence over the direction of 'human rights'.

The overriding factor about the perception of the nuclear bombs was who won.

That’s what I think too. Not only is history written by the victor but so is the morality of how the fight was fought

 

[Grendel]

Maybe that argument can be made for the first bomb. Once that goes off Japan would have surrendered anyway. The second was overkill.

Also, as has been pointed out, it all depends on the victors. Let's say the Japanese/Germans etc had rallied and won the war - do you not think the Amercian's would've been in front of a war crimes trial? Or would it then have been justified for America dropping even more nuclear bombs? If Japan ever became the dominant force in world politics you can bet they'd be calling for them to be classified historically as war crimes.

Let's get really hypothetical and say Russia and Putin went on to not only win this war but go on to gain absolute control. Who will they be putting in the dock as the 'bad guys'? Now let's say Russia gets trounced - Putin could be tried as a war criminal. China should be in court of more human rights violations that could in some cases be called genocide, but are far more likely in the future to be the ones having huge influence over the direction of 'human rights'.

The overriding factor about the perception of the nuclear bombs was who won.

do you honestly believe this tripe? Why do you even type it only Pete seems to read it

 

[Grendel]

do you honestly believe this tripe? Why do you even type it only Pete seems to read it

out of interest Pete as you find it amusing would you agree the Japanese culture and behaviour in the war was the very definition of sub human

 

[SBT]

out of interest Pete as you find it amusing would you agree the Japanese culture and behaviour in the war was the very definition of sub human

Describing Japanese culture as “sub human” sounds……pretty racist to me?