Surely the EFL have asked them why they won't have it?
Also, people report side effects when they take it. I guess mid-season players might not want to risk that too which plays on their mind?
The side effects last for a few days, Covid could last much longer.
Firstly, I’m giving some rationale for the low take up and secondly pharmaceuticals and the medical profession are not infallible. My own son is studying medicine, so I do have some insight.Ah thanks. Was it Oxford or Cambridge for you when you were reading Medicine?
I think it comes down to the lack of transparency of the (potential) long term health effects of taking these vaccines, particularly the mRNA based ones. If you‘re over a certain age with a health condition it’s a no brainer, not so much if you‘re fit and healthy and in your 20s.
I understand Ernie's logic, however - he's not saying that the fears are valid on an absolute sense, just the psychological sense of where they come from. Nobody really wants to be the new adopter in anything, its just that usually people a) aren't or b) they're so ill that they don't really care. A preventative medicine that hasn't had a chance to be around for a while, I understand why that might make people nervy.The mRNA ones are if anything safer than the traditional ‘weakened virus’ vaccine because you aren’t even taking viral particles into your body. Same for ‘long term health effects’, once the mRNA has done its work it’s gone while the antibodies remain.
Most young women seem fine taking the pill for years on end despite that being genuinely more dubious in the long run. Just get informed
The mRNA ones are if anything safer than the traditional ‘weakened virus’ vaccine because you aren’t even taking viral particles into your body. Same for ‘long term health effects’, once the mRNA has done its work it’s gone while the antibodies remain.
Most young women seem fine taking the pill for years on end despite that being genuinely more dubious in the long run. Just get informed
I seem to be getting shot down for trying to give some rationale for why some are not taking it (my whole family have). Perhaps some of the reported side effects (even if rare) are having an influence. Myocarditis is a daunting prospect if you are a young footballer, indeed my own son (a medical student) had to call an ambulance due to a significantly increased heart rate soon after having the vaccine. It’s easy to be dismissive of these concerns, but if there is resistance among young people then the communication and information needs to be improved.
The mRNA ones are if anything safer than the traditional ‘weakened virus’ vaccine because you aren’t even taking viral particles into your body. Same for ‘long term health effects’, once the mRNA has done its work it’s gone while the antibodies remain.
Most young women seem fine taking the pill for years on end despite that being genuinely more dubious in the long run. Just get informed
Please cite all pre-prints and mRNA peer reviewed papers you have read please.
You can start with the original clinical trial data from over 40,000 participants.
Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine | NEJM
Original Article from The New England Journal of Medicine — Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccinewww.nejm.org
So your response to people having long term concerns is to post an original study from nearly a year ago?
The CDC have recommended avoiding J&J due to the health implications within the last 24hrs. VAERS reports are through the ceiling. Footballers are looking around and seeing their colleagues drop on the pitch. Growing concerns of myocarditis across the board. Is an honest conversation about this really such heresy? If so, fine. Drink your Kool-Aid.
More intelligent and well read with the critical evidence base skills required to ignore the medical and scientific opinion being presented by the government and main stream mediaThat seems very high. The NHL (ice hockey) has its fair share of redneck players who you might guess are anti-vax but started the season with only 4 players unvaccinated and 3 of them have since changed their mind and had the jab.
Why would the percentage be so high for footballers?
Ah I see. Clinical peer reviewed data is drinking the Kool-Aid.
Not sure if you realised but even pre COVID 150 cardiac incidents a year happened to footballers with the numbers likely to increase as the physical demands on them do combined with the fact that the screening for heart conditions is done at the beginning of a career and rarely later on when other issues can begin to arise.
It's not Omaha beach. While I am sure there will be continual review of all side effects, your wording is hyperbolic to the extremeFootballers are looking around and seeing their colleagues drop on the pitch.
I'll be back in a few months when the television tells you its ok to question things.
You're wasting your time mate.So your response to people having long term concerns is to post an original study from nearly a year ago?
The CDC have recommended avoiding J&J due to the health implications within the last 24hrs. VAERS reports are through the ceiling. Footballers are looking around and seeing their colleagues drop on the pitch. Growing concerns of myocarditis across the board. Is an honest conversation about this really such heresy? If so, fine. Drink your Kool-Aid.
So your response to people having long term concerns is to post an original study from nearly a year ago?
The CDC have recommended avoiding J&J due to the health implications within the last 24hrs. VAERS reports are through the ceiling. Footballers are looking around and seeing their colleagues drop on the pitch. Growing concerns of myocarditis across the board. Is an honest conversation about this really such heresy? If so, fine. Drink your Kool-Aid.
You're wasting your time mate.
I've stated on here a few times that I had a heart attack 3 days after a jab.
Many say it's pure coincidence as that suits their stance. However there is no way I would have another.
Both my kids are fully jabbed and that's up to them. But I won't be and yes I've had covid so hopefully built up a natural immunity.
I totally get why footballers are concerned
Yellow card is the self reporting one isn't it? If we go off that one of the side effects of the vaccine is pregnancy!“VAERS reports” ah there we go, you’re listening to mental Yanks on the internet. It’s the yellow card system in this country and it’s got less quality control than Wikipedia.
Yellow card is the self reporting one isn't it? If we go off that one of the side effects of the vaccine is pregnancy!
So your response to people having long term concerns is to post an original study from nearly a year ago?
The CDC have recommended avoiding J&J due to the health implications within the last 24hrs. VAERS reports are through the ceiling. Footballers are looking around and seeing their colleagues drop on the pitch. Growing concerns of myocarditis across the board. Is an honest conversation about this really such heresy? If so, fine. Drink your Kool-Aid.
You're wasting your time mate.
I've stated on here a few times that I had a heart attack 3 days after a jab.
Many say it's pure coincidence as that suits their stance. However there is no way I would have another.
Both my kids are fully jabbed and that's up to them. But I won't be and yes I've had covid so hopefully built up a natural immunity.
I totally get why footballers are concerned
No idea mate . Maybe coincidental , may of been brought on by covid . All I do know is I'm not prepared to have another just in case. I also think there's a lot of people out there ,who like me have received adverse after effects . We are the ones the government and medical profession don't like talking about .Sorry to hear of your ill health mate.
Serious question though, could it not more likely be brought on by the after effects of Covid as seen elsewhere rather than the vaccine?
Imagine the teachers who teach children who don't even have to take tests.
Do you have a pair of boots? Would be perfect for these Kane crosses.I would rather risk catching it and be allowed to teach normally than go back to year group bubbles, remote learning, everyone masked up all the time, and staying in a box at the front.
No idea mate . Maybe coincidental , may of been brought on by covid . All I do know is I'm not prepared to have another just in case. I also think there's a lot of people out there ,who like me have received adverse after effects . We are the ones the government and medical profession don't like talking about .
On another note I would of been at the game on Saturday with a negative LFT result quite possibly sitting next to an untested fully jabbed person carrying the disease. Not sure how I feel about that
Well as there's more jabbed players than non jabbed . There's obviously more jabbed players testing positive. So if he actually said that, he's making a dick of himself there.Klopp in his interview is fair enough - if clubs are getting games called off through the players having poor vaccine uptakes then they should face fines if games are abandoned
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