Who has said anything about a conspiracy?
The key thing is how many will actually become ill with it and die of it. Must just be a coincidence it is worldwide news that somebody died from it after Boris gave his little vague one liner.
Is this now a thing? What is to stop somebody from giving a bug going round a scary name and then we need restrictions every few months just in case this is the one to kill 65,000 a day?
IF this is just like the flu / a cold then do we start testing for this in everybody who dies in hospital going forward so we can give it a label? Where does it end?
(I hope to got that this is just a sniffle and we all live happily ever after, this won't be the "end" even if it does turn out to be a sniffle).
All I have said is that so far that people (not the average Joe posting on forums but ministers and media etc) have tried to purposely increase the worry.Apologies Nick, I'm genuinely confused here. I'm not trying to fall out with you, but I honestly can't see where you're going with this.
Are you actually saying that there's basically nothing to worry about from this new variant?
The strangest thing is, it has got people defending them now and justifying them bullshitting.
It really has, I didn't specifically mean you.It absolutely feckin' hasn't. This is the worst government in living memory, with the most incompetent leader, but I don't let that fact blind me to the science.
All I have said is that so far that people (not the average Joe posting on forums but ministers and media etc) have tried to purposely increase the worry.
That's what the vague one liners and "mistakes" of big numbers are intended to do.
The same as the whole death thing.
Well no. I'd actually fact check. Feel free to disprove anything of mine I've stated as that though.Nick are you actually Desmond Swayne?
And on that I'll stop digging at Nick because I'm starting to feel like a WUM, and actually I quite like him though clearly we differ on this.
I like the fact that there are differing opinions here, but I genuinely worry that people take twitter and Facebook as gospel, especially if they're looking for reasons to avoid vaccination or push back against (what I see as) relatively minor restrictions in behaviour.
Blind trust in Government of any ilk is always a bad idea, imho, but the public health science behind vaccinations is proven over decades and the tinfoil hat brigade spouting rubbish about that need to be called out at every opportunity.
Simply put, the anti-vaxxers are dangerous idiots who cost lives, and not only their own.
Just how can they be so stupid?Nick are you actually Desmond Swayne?
You really are sounding more and more unhinged, now Omicron is here and well established the red lists are irrelevant hence they've been scrappedThat scared the red lists have been scrapped.
Hey you dont want the vaccine thats your choice who am i to say otherwise? But you're talking nonsense.I just said I am more likely to need the NHS for Cancer.
Which is it? If I don't get the booster am I selfish for spreading it or selfish because I might need the NHS to save my life from COVID?
After all, if I go into the game on Saturday double jabbed and a negative result who is more likely to spread it out of me and somebody with the Booster who hasn't been tested?
Hey you dont want the vaccine thats your choice who am i to say otherwise? But you're talking nonsense.
You are putting everyone in a box again though. Calling people anti-vaxxers is just a shutting down debate tactic really and doesn't help skepticism.
I don't think Nick has said anything false and he is just asking questions that other people are uncomfortable about.
As has been stated earlier, you get the extreme nanobot 5G loons, but the same the other side with guilt trips and demands for restrictions to be put in place. Both are distractions.
Nick are you actually Desmond Swayne?
I just said I am more likely to need the NHS for Cancer.
Which is it? If I don't get the booster am I selfish for spreading it or selfish because I might need the NHS to save my life from COVID?
After all, if I go into the game on Saturday double jabbed and a negative result who is more likely to spread it out of me and somebody with the Booster who hasn't been tested?
For the record, I am not saying that nobody should get vaccinated or that a vaccine is going to kill anybody. It is their choice to get vaccinated and everybody is entitled to it.
I'm by no means an "anti vaxer" or "conspiracy theorist" to point certain things out (sometimes right and sometimes wrong).
My personal view is that I am going to hold off and wait and see about boosters rather than rushing to get one.
At the other end of the "The vaccine is going to mind control us" is the "somebody not wearing a mask is going to kill my gran" type shit.
OK, just on this one specifically then.
Getting the booster means you're at less risk of catching Covid, and less risk of spreading it.
Less spread means less people for the NHS to need to treat.
That means the NHS can focus on other things as well as Covid, like cancer.
Are you selfish, not getting a booster if you can? I'd probably say yes, sorry.
It makes no sense to avoid it, it's minimally inconvenient, and if everyone who could did it, then the higher immunity rates would see a reduced load on the NHS.
Why people who are so desperate to avoid additional lockdown measures are also keen to dodge vaccination / boosters is one of life's stranger mysteries.
Why people who are so desperate to avoid additional lockdown measures are also keen to dodge vaccination / boosters is one of life's stranger mysteries.
So if I don't get the booster and have negative tests once a week for football. Judging by the stats that have come out so far am I more or less likely to spread it than somebody who has had a booster and just uses that for their COVID pass and haven't been tested?
The correct answer is, you do both. The booster reduces your risk of catching and spreading it. LFTs aren't entirely reliable.
What's the issue with having the booster?
OK so how many football fans for example who have the booster will also be doing tests to see they are negative before they go?
Of course, if you were to do a PCR every day it would also be more accurate but I am just comparing double jabbed with a negative test compared to people who have a booster who have no idea if they are carrying it.
Which would spread more?
I don't know Nick, but we know that if everyone who could get the booster gets it, then immunity increases for everyone and therefore the risk of transmission and the load on the NHS is lower.
So, fancy answering the question mate, what's the problem with getting the booster?
I don't have a problem, I am just going to wait and see what happens first. I am hardly anti vaxx as I had the first 2. I want to see what I am being boosted "against" first.
I know you are saying immunity and stop the spread but I continue to be double jabbed but take regular tests then am I actually going to be doing more to spread compared to somebody who has had a booster and hasn't done a test for a while?
Possibly, Nick, possibly. It's just as a society I think we're going to come out of this quicker if we can get over the vaccination resistance.
I'll leave it there mate, honest! No offence intended, as you know.
I don’t think it makes you either. An analogy you could use is Brexit. On one side you have the frothing Leavers that wanted British Empire 2.0 and all ‘Remainers’ hated this country, and on the other side the delusional Remainers that thought only racists voted for Leave and that they had a God given right to a re-vote until it went their way. Tons of people in the middle almost get ignored.Here's one for you all.
Im double jabbed, and advocated that for my friends too, get out, get jabbed lets get back to normal.
However on the booster im not doing it (yet). My personal view is that id like to think at 31 with 2 jabs my immune system should be able to do the heavy lifting.
So does this make me pro vax or anti vax? Being as apparently everyones one or the other?
Here's one for you all.
Im double jabbed, and advocated that for my friends too, get out, get jabbed lets get back to normal.
However on the booster im not doing it (yet). My personal view is that id like to think at 31 with 2 jabs my immune system should be able to do the heavy lifting.
So does this make me pro vax or anti vax? Being as apparently everyones one or the other?
Holy shit I'm literally Jeremy corbyn
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