Ian1779
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Do you mind if I ask where you’ve heard that? Literally heard no rumblings at all which you often pick up from people in the know.
Do you mind if I ask where you’ve heard that? Literally heard no rumblings at all which you often pick up from people in the know.I've been told they're closing school from January. Also been told that if schools have at least a week, then will be no exams again due to the disrupted learning.
I've been told they're closing school from January. Also been told that if schools have at least a week, then will be no exams again due to the disrupted learning.
Unbelievable that people think no NHS staff is better than unvaxxed NHS staff. Think I'd probably take the chance of an unvaxxed surgeon over being left for days weeks or months waiting for one
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I'll tell you what happens at A&E at present...
You get a letter from your doctor, you go along but you're not let inside as there are too many people waiting already. Once you *are* let inside, you're not allowed to take anyone in with you, so even though you're at death's door, the best they can do is push you inside in the wheelchair, walk out, see the doors shut behind you and wonder if you'll ever see that person again...
Then you wait for hours to be seen, before eventually you are. Then you're admitted, and placed on a bed for yet more hours, waiting for a space on a ward. These spaces are under pressure because, of course, at this stage any infection from Covid could finish you off because you're so weak, and you don't want bellends pointing out you got Covid when in hospital, so its not *really* Covid that killed you. You then get your bed in a ward where they keep the windows open if at all possible (but of course the time of year is not great for that, so it's a payoff of freezing your patients, and giving adequate ventilation in criminally underfunded buildings) and give you a Covid test daily, because any infection spreading in the ward could finish off all who are there with you... and you don't want bellends pointing out you got Covid when in hospital, so its not *really* Covid that killed you. No visitors for that reason either, as they absolutely *need* to keep infection away from you.
Then you get rehabilitated as quickly as they can, and sent home as soon as they can because, even more so than usually, they *need* the beds for the next queue of people waiting for admission. Then again, it might be too soon really, but you haven't seen your family for a couple of weeks, and they haven't seen you, and they need to tell you that they love you. You've avoided being finished off by Covid too, by the measures put in place, but those measures restrict capacity too, of course... exacerbated by an underfunded system, that means there's no spare resource available for a crisis.
Do you mind if I ask where you’ve heard that? Literally heard no rumblings at all which you often pick up from people in the know.
Yeah, no problem, it's from someone very high up in education. They also told me that if the exams go ahead, GCSEs will be adjusted to make it easier for learners, things like a formula sheet will be given for maths, prompts for English etc. Basically the idea being that the current lot have had such a disrupted learning for the past 2 years that it's unfair on them so adjustments will be made.
It seems like it is for a lot of them though?
Have heard no such thing.
That last part is well known. Really wish they would just stop insisting on the kids having to isolate.
Same. I’m signed up like normal for exam marking unlike the last two years. Won’t be happy if they take my holiday fund away again
Only passing on what I've been told, it's not something that's effects me either way so no reason to make it up/lie.
May have misunderstood your point but hospitalisations lags cases and only the booster severely reduces hospitalisations IIRC so if you’ve got record case numbers now and low booster percentages then record hospitalisations is baked in over the next couple of weeks.
Yeah, agree with the lag, higher hospitalisations are coming. What I’m querying though is firstly, apparently, there is protection from severe illness and hospitalisation even from two jabs as well as natural immunity protection. Vaccines alone just aren’t stopping transmission as we can see. Secondly, booster numbers in those at most risk aren’t low. 45% overall doesn’t look great but that’s over 12s. I think I heard yesterday that 88/90% of over 70s are boosted and looking at the numbers I’d imagine a vast majority of over 50s have probably received a booster. Younger people as we know are at lower risk and will have had double jabs more recently so should naturally be at lower risk of hospitalisation
I’m not doubting that hospitalisations aren’t already baked in. High transmission alone will see an increase. It’s the level of of increase that is the big unknown and how long people then stay on hospital*. This obviously will be dependent on severity of variant and effectiveness of vaccines, boosters and natural immunity on it. Still all unknown
*initial view from SA was that people staying in hospital for far shorter periods. This keeps Covid inpatients number lower
Yeah, no problem, it's from someone very high up in education. They also told me that if the exams go ahead, GCSEs will be adjusted to make it easier for learners, things like a formula sheet will be given for maths, prompts for English etc. Basically the idea being that the current lot have had such a disrupted learning for the past 2 years that it's unfair on them so adjustments will be made.
The stuff about making adjustments is public knowledge: Decisions on contingency arrangements 2022: GCSE, AS, A level, Project and AEA
I’d be amazed if anyone knows what the government will do now, even the government themselves.
Hopefully they at least learn from opening schools for a day then closing them.
What’s your take on Zahawi? Obviously he’s batshit but seems slightly more competent than Williamson (high praise indeed).
The stuff about making adjustments is public knowledge: Decisions on contingency arrangements 2022: GCSE, AS, A level, Project and AEA
I’d be amazed if anyone knows what the government will do now, even the government themselves.
Getting a strong sense of deja vu with other countries putting restrictions on people entering from the UK and basically being told to do what you think is best in terms of attending events.
What odds on some form of lockdown in January as things have got out of control with the blame being placed on the public for too much mixing over Christmas?
Completely agree with you duffer on erring on the side of caution. I think I sit mainly in the camp of we need to do something, the only thing that galls me daily is the mis information on figures or the lack of detail. For example quotes that hospitalisations in London have risen 10%, is that 10% on top of 20 or 200 or 2000. Then you get quotes from modelling that the entire population could be infected by January, We have 20 million now with boosters, I know the new variant can still get passed as it's not 100% protective, but surely it's not going to infect 20 million boosted people, so again that a whole heap of the population that aren't going to get it.Absolutely, and I think that's why there's genuine concern (as opposed to the Boris get-out-of-jail-free kind).
It looks like infections are going to rise exponentially, in fact if I had a fiver I fancy we might start running out of test kits sometime in January. Whether hospital admissions and deaths will follow is the great unknown.
The hope is that the variant is very much weaker, or that it doesn't break through the vaccination.
On the latter, the data doesn't look great, but on the former there might be hope. But it's going to have to be massively weaker given the number of likely infections.
I hope that people like Nick are right, and it turns out to be a complete false alarm and I end up being ritually humiliated on here. Who wouldn't want that.
But still, given the numbers and data I think it's absolutely right to err on the side of caution. A little inconvenience now might save an awful lot of pain later, imho.
Rumours from a few weeks ago is lockdown is pre planned for 5th of Jan.
Where are we at with people catching covid twice? You can get the new variant if you've had covid before but can you get the new variant more than once?
Just thinking with talk of hundreds of thousands of cases a day in the near future is this the 'you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease, as it were, to move through the population, without taking as many draconian measures' Johnson spoke about at the start of the pandemic?
There's a finite number of people, if we're talking about hundreds of thousands of infections a day, some people have even suggested we could top a million, there's only so long that can be sustained before it burns out isn't there?
Or is that just wishful thinking?
Where are we at with people catching covid twice? You can get the new variant if you've had covid before but can you get the new variant more than once?
Just thinking with talk of hundreds of thousands of cases a day in the near future is this the 'you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease, as it were, to move through the population, without taking as many draconian measures' Johnson spoke about at the start of the pandemic?
There's a finite number of people, if we're talking about hundreds of thousands of infections a day, some people have even suggested we could top a million, there's only so long that can be sustained before it burns out isn't there?
Or is that just wishful thinking?
The fact they’d let people go back to work for one day on the 4th before locking down makes this all the more believable.
Hopefully they at least learn from opening schools for a day then closing them.
With this government, who knows? Isn't that exactly what they did with the schools last January?
Yeah, agree with the lag, higher hospitalisations are coming. What I’m querying though is firstly, apparently, there is protection from severe illness and hospitalisation even from two jabs as well as natural immunity protection. Vaccines alone just aren’t stopping transmission as we can see. Secondly, booster numbers in those at most risk aren’t low. 45% overall doesn’t look great but that’s over 12s. I think I heard yesterday that 88/90% of over 70s are boosted and looking at the numbers I’d imagine a vast majority of over 50s have probably received a booster. Younger people as we know are at lower risk and will have had double jabs more recently so should naturally be at lower risk of hospitalisation
I’m not doubting that hospitalisations aren’t already baked in. High transmission alone will see an increase. It’s the level of of increase that is the big unknown and how long people then stay on hospital*. This obviously will be dependent on severity of variant and effectiveness of vaccines, boosters and natural immunity on it. Still all unknown
*initial view from SA was that people staying in hospital for far shorter periods. This keeps Covid inpatients number lower
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