clint van damme
Well-Known Member
It should be changed per patient. 4 times on average.
Yes (as long as it’s not run out obviously !!!) I think one of the points being made yesterday was that PPE was potentially being changed per patient.
only picking up why was said, I don’t know the safety aspects (risks) etc
I read about a doctor today whose department are reusing PPE on several occasions when on average each person treating a patient would need on average 4 sets of PPE to treat that patient during the duration of their stay (Think the article was in the FT).
Given that situation I have every faith in the staff of the NHS to utilise the equipment they have to the max and I don't believe they need advice or underhand insults from a cretin like Hancock.
Went through this a couple of years ago on here. I was asked countless times who should lead Labour as I didn't see us having a chance against the Tories with Corbyn as leader. My choice was Starmer. Is he perfect? No. But can't think of anyone better in the Labour party.It’s funny you know, because alarm bells ring in my head over Starmer, not because of his ability at all or even his politics - but the fact that people like George Osbourne are clamouring to welcome him...
Ive heard plenty of doctors and nurses saying they have got adequate PPE but as we know that doesn’t mean everyone across the 50k trusts, GP practices, care homes etc have
It should be changed per patient. 4 times on average.
How does that bloke know?
Spain going to start reopening
Corbyn really drove this guy over the edge to full nutcase territory.
It worked last time so why not......What amazes me about Hodges is he massively used the antisemitism row as a stick to beat Corbyn but now Miliband is back in the cabinet and the antisemitic tropes are being used against him again him and his ilk haven't said a word.
It's almost like they don't actually care about it and were just using it for their own political agenda.
MPs defending this thing about getting 10k to work from home saying it needs to go on equipment. What equipment are they buying?
All it needs is a basic computer and the internet.
It’s in the article belowHow does that bloke know?
PPE isn't just used for coronavirus is it? What about things like MRSA? Can't imagine risking cross contamination is going to help things.Just to be clear, I’m commenting on what was mentioned at the briefing not the science behind it (I’ve got no idea, like everyone else on here). Also I presume they are talking about changes between those patients already diagnosed with coronavirus. I’d imagine the whole units (docs, nurses etc) will only dealing with Coronavirus patients not mixing with non coronavirus patients
Right, I’m going to put this out there as an alternative view, awaiting to be abused but here it goes and please hear me out.....
Firstly, do I think Hancock is out of his depth, yes, most probably (for all his historical issues with the NHS Hunt would’ve no doubt been far better in these circumstances but that’s currently irrelevant)
Do I think his comment about misuse of PPE was as callous as it’s been made out to be, no. In actual fact it’s a valid point. In the briefing he was asking people to follow the PPE guidelines ie make sure you are wearing enough/adequate PPE but also not to overuse it
Now if there was an infinite supply (and no global pandemic) this would just be a ridiculous thing to say (what’s a few quid to protect a life etc etc). However as we know there is a potential shortage and this situation may well get worse nationally and globally before it gets better. as I think SBD and others have highlighted countries have also banned exports and we don’t currently make much of our own. It was mentioned yesterday 700m pieces of PPF had been distributed to NHS/social care etc since the start of the outbreak and one of the comments was that a doctor/nurse can apparently safely wear some of the same PPE for a session rather than change per patient (which will no doubt come with its own risks, take additional time etc). Let’s assume for example it’s three patients per session, over a month that could be a difference of hundreds of millions of pieces of PPE, some of which could be in short supply or difficult to replace in future.
Ive said before that for me PPE distribution (and supply line) and testing of NHS workers are the two genuine issues I would want/expect to be addressed asap and fully investigated once this nightmare is over. I’m sure the last thing health workers want to hear when they are risking their lives is ‘be careful not to overuse PPE’ but if by using PPE safely and sensibly, as per guidelines it means there is more to go around and in turn save their or colleagues life in future, it’s maybe not such an outrageous thing to say.
*Prepares tin hat but hopefully people get the point being made. As I say this isn’t about preparedness etc this is about what was discussed at the briefing
Went through this a couple of years ago on here. I was asked countless times who should lead Labour as I didn't see us having a chance against the Tories with Corbyn as leader. My choice was Starmer. Is he perfect? No. But can't think of anyone better in the Labour party.
We need to get away from the hard left if we want to see a Labour government. But the hard left will always disagree. Centre left.
PalestineWhat amazes me about Hodges is he massively used the antisemitism row as a stick to beat Corbyn but now Miliband is back in the cabinet and the antisemitic tropes are being used against him again him and his ilk haven't said a word.
It's almost like they don't actually care about it and were just using it for their own political agenda.
PPE isn't just used for coronavirus is it? What about things like MRSA? Can't imagine risking cross contamination is going to help things.
If Hancock is saying PPE has to be reused as we're short then he needs to actually admit we're short rather than making it sounds like NHS staff are being wasteful and not following normal procedures.
Spot on as ever
I would think that would be the absolute minimum. Staff need to protect themselves of course, but also prevent cross infection. Every time they have to leave a Covid ward, weather to treat other patients or just go for a fag break, you would presume safe undressing into clynical waste bags to prevent exposure to others.My girlfriend gets new PPE at the start of each shift, I’d presume and hope this is the same there.
It’s up there with going out into the street and randomly kissing strangers logic in how to stop the spread of the infection.Spot on as ever
An 11 year old boy with no underlying issues has died from the virus, utterly tragic.
He had underlying health conditions just so people are aware. The Daily Fail have updated it now. Not normally one to say things like this but they are desperate for extra panic.
Clickety click.
What Street do you live in?It’s up there with going out into the street and randomly kissing strangers logic in how to stop the spread of the infection.
What Street do you live in?
Herd immunity avenue
She is on a midwife though and they test every new patient that comes onto the ward regardless if they have symptoms or not, I think she has only had to treat one actual positive patient and for that they had the plastic face masks...no idea what they are called.But they are arguing about fresh PPE after dealing with each patient. This would mean your girlfriend isn't getting anywhere near as much as she should.
You’re both wrong. It’s Go and see your mother on Mother’s Day Avenue.Is that the one just off Handshake Road? Just before the turning for Take it on the Chin Close?
Or Forty Mile Drive.You’re both wrong. It’s Go and see your mother on Mother’s Day Avenue.
Think they've recently hiked up the fees they'd have to pay should they require treatment while they're working for the NHS too .Priti love the nhs whilst demonising immigrant doctors giving the government statement today. What a cow she is!!
Obvious one's Pete.And 30 odd people who died didn’t have any underlying issues
She is on a midwife though and they test every new patient that comes onto the ward regardless if they have symptoms or not, I think she has only had to treat one actual positive patient and for that they had the plastic face masks...no idea what they are called.
TrueObvious one's Pete.
Doesn't necessarily mean they didn't have undiagnosed problems .
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