Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (185 Viewers)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 11, 2020

Otis said:
Can anyone explain what happened with SARS? I remember it, but it barely touched these shores did it.

That was a Coronavirus, so what happened there and how long was it before they managed to get a vaccine?

There were a lot fewer deaths too.

What was different?

If I remember rightly it was deadlier, but harder to catch. Don't take that as gospel though.

What needs to be remembered is that there are probably hundreds of these things that organisations like the WHO monitor and track, nipping them in the bud before they start.

It's inevitable that once in a while one will manage to get through. For people like Trump to then have a go at them and, again, threaten to cut funding is ridiculous. This would've happened a long time again and way more often without them. So when one does it's down to your own healthcare system and preparations. As has been pointed out, it's not IF these things happen, it's WHEN.

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
If I remember rightly it was deadlier, but harder to catch. Don't take that as gospel though.

What needs to be remembered is that there are probably hundreds of these things that organisations like the WHO monitor and track, nipping them in the bud before they start.

It's inevitable that once in a while one will manage to get through. For people like Trump to then have a go at them and, again, threaten to cut funding is ridiculous. This would've happened a long time again and way more often without them. So when one does it's down to your own healthcare system and preparations. As has been pointed out, it's not IF these things happen, it's WHEN.

Trump said yesterday that “antibiotics would usually fix these things but the germ has got too smart”

wingy · Apr 11, 2020

OMG .
Hancock is even questioning whether the health workers who've died caught it at work.
He's obviously lost it now

Time to pull him out.

Otis · Apr 11, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
If I remember rightly it was deadlier, but harder to catch. Don't take that as gospel though.

What needs to be remembered is that there are probably hundreds of these things that organisations like the WHO monitor and track, nipping them in the bud before they start.

It's inevitable that once in a while one will manage to get through. For people like Trump to then have a go at them and, again, threaten to cut funding is ridiculous. This would've happened a long time again and way more often without them. So when one does it's down to your own healthcare system and preparations. As has been pointed out, it's not IF these things happen, it's WHEN.

With Trump it's always someone else's fault and he's always looking to apportion blame.

shmmeee · Apr 11, 2020

wingy said:
OMG .
Hancock is even questioning whether the health workers who've died caught it at work.
He's obviously lost it now

Time to pull him out.

All the way through it’s been cover your arse first, public health and basic decency second TBH.

Skybluefaz · Apr 11, 2020

wingy said:
OMG .
Hancock is even questioning whether the health workers who've died caught it at work.
He's obviously lost it now

Time to pull him out.

This legit? My sister who is a nurse in a maternity ward has been confirmed to have it. I thought he was an incompetent twonk as it was. If this is true my blood pressure will go up a few notches

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 11, 2020

Otis said:
With Trump it's always someone else's fault and he's always looking to apportion blame.

Without doubt that's his MO. The frightening thing is how many people believe him, and even worse when it's pointed out his revisionist take on things with old tweets/comments they still refuse to believe he was ever wrong or changed his rhetoric.

wingy · Apr 11, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
This legit? My sister who is a nurse in a maternity ward has been confirmed to have it. I thought he was an incompetent twonk as it was. If this is true my blood pressure will go up a few notches

Just shown him doing a web interview on the beeb.
Said they're investigating to see whether they caught it at work or elsewhere.
Is there a bit of an anomaly building up around the number of victims here as well?

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

wingy said:
Just shown him doing a web interview on the beeb.
Said they're investigating to see whether they caught it at work or elsewhere.
Is there a bit of an anomaly building up around the number of victims here as well?

yeah he needs to go, even from a conservative point of view he’ll do them massive damage with this stuff. Then again maybe he’s being lined up as the fall guy for afterwards.

wingy · Apr 11, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Without doubt that's his MO. The frightening thing is how many people believe him, and even worse when it's pointed out his revisionist take on things with old tweets/comments they still refuse to believe he was ever wrong or changed his rhetoric.

Otis said:
With Trump it's always someone else's fault and he's always looking to apportion blame.

Make America great !!
No ,malign.and besmirch everyone else.

wingy · Apr 11, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
yeah he needs to go, even from a conservative point of view he’ll do them massive damage with this stuff. Then again maybe he’s being lined up as the fall guy for afterwards.

I'm wondering if he'd prefer to go now tbf and that's prompting these latest faux pas.

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

A lot has gone on and many things have happened which have changed some perceptions, but nobody should lose sight of the reality of who our leader really is.

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

wingy said:
Just shown him doing a web interview on the beeb.
Said they're investigating to see whether they caught it at work or elsewhere.
Is there a bit of an anomaly building up around the number of victims here as well?

He’s also bullshitting about the number- 27 people in the NHS have died, not 19, he can’t even tell the truth about that

sorry- 28

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 11, 2020

wingy said:
Just shown him doing a web interview on the beeb.
Said they're investigating to see whether they caught it at work or elsewhere.
Is there a bit of an anomaly building up around the number of victims here as well?

Deflecting. Instead of investigating this (I wonder if people caught this disease in the place which is filled with people with it that they have to be very close to to treat them or elsewhere) how about investigating where the fuck all the PPE and ventilators you supposedly had on order have got to.

As for the idea of NHS workers 'wasting' PPE that is just unbelievable. At a time like this when they're exposed to a deadly contagion the only way they could be wasting it is by setting fire to it.

#slapfornhs

clint van damme · Apr 11, 2020

wingy said:
Make America great !!
No ,malign.and besmirch everyone else.

The States are already well on the road to removing the independent checks and balances that hold the government to account.
They've a long way to go until they get to Orbans Hungary or Modis India but they're on that path.
We need to be vigilant it doesn't happen here.

clint van damme · Apr 11, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Deflecting. Instead of investigating this (I wonder if people caught this disease in the place which is filled with people with it that they have to be very close to to treat them or elsewhere) how about investigating where the fuck all the PPE and ventilators you supposedly had on order have got to.

As for the idea of NHS workers 'wasting' PPE that is just unbelievable. At a time like this when they're exposed to a deadly contagion the only way they could be wasting it is by setting fire to it.

#slapfornhs

But he'll be out clapping next Thursday so it's ok.

skybluetony176 · Apr 11, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
A lot has gone on and many things have happened which have changed some perceptions, but nobody should lose sight of the reality of who our leader really is.

Read the comments. Some people still buying into the it’s fake news line even though it turned out that the actual fake news was that it was ever fake news.

skybluetony176 · Apr 11, 2020

wingy said:
Just shown him doing a web interview on the beeb.
Said they're investigating to see whether they caught it at work or elsewhere.
Is there a bit of an anomaly building up around the number of victims here as well?

Not sure how they’ll ever know given NHS staff are still not being tested regularly. Nurse 'killed by coronavirus' had not been tested for Covid-19 despite symptoms
Either way it’s still no excuse for failing them with PPE.

PVA · Apr 11, 2020

wingy said:
OMG .
Hancock is even questioning whether the health workers who've died caught it at work.
He's obviously lost it now

Time to pull him out.

What a prick. Absolutely shameless.

Not that we're allowed to criticise the government though, we'll be accused of point scoring soon.

Sick Boy · Apr 11, 2020

Easily the most incompetent government in my living memory.

Otis · Apr 11, 2020

I don't get it.

I would describe myself as a socialist, but that wouldn't stop me criticising Jeremy Corbyn, or Kier Starmer, or whoever.

I think you can be a Conservative, but not rate the current government's stance and action on things and it is fine to not like Boris too.

If this was Labour and they too had fooked up, I would be first in line to criticise them too.

CCFCSteve · Apr 11, 2020

Right, I’m going to put this out there as an alternative view, awaiting to be abused but here it goes and please hear me out.....

Firstly, do I think Hancock is out of his depth, yes, most probably (for all his historical issues with the NHS Hunt would’ve no doubt been far better in these circumstances but that’s currently irrelevant)

Do I think his comment about misuse of PPE was as callous as it’s been made out to be, no. In actual fact it’s a valid point. In the briefing he was asking people to follow the PPE guidelines ie make sure you are wearing enough/adequate PPE but also not to overuse it

Now if there was an infinite supply (and no global pandemic) this would just be a ridiculous thing to say (what’s a few quid to protect a life etc etc). However as we know there is a potential shortage and this situation may well get worse nationally and globally before it gets better. as I think SBD and others have highlighted countries have also banned exports and we don’t currently make much of our own. It was mentioned yesterday 700m pieces of PPF had been distributed to NHS/social care etc since the start of the outbreak and one of the comments was that a doctor/nurse can apparently safely wear some of the same PPE for a session rather than change per patient (which will no doubt come with its own risks, take additional time etc). Let’s assume for example it’s three patients per session, over a month that could be a difference of hundreds of millions of pieces of PPE, some of which could be in short supply or difficult to replace in future.

Ive said before that for me PPE distribution (and supply line) and testing of NHS workers are the two genuine issues I would want/expect to be addressed asap and fully investigated once this nightmare is over. I’m sure the last thing health workers want to hear when they are risking their lives is ‘be careful not to overuse PPE’ but if by using PPE safely and sensibly, as per guidelines it means there is more to go around and in turn save their or colleagues life in future, it’s maybe not such an outrageous thing to say.

*Prepares tin hat but hopefully people get the point being made. As I say this isn’t about preparedness etc this is about what was discussed at the briefing

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
Right, I’m going to put this out there as an alternative view, awaiting to be abused but here it goes and please hear me out.....

Firstly, do I think Hancock is out of his depth, yes, most probably (for all his historical issues with the NHS Hunt would’ve no doubt been far better in these circumstances but that’s currently irrelevant)

Do I think his comment about misuse of PPE was as callous as it’s been made out to be, no. In actual fact it’s a valid point. In the briefing he was asking people to follow the PPE guidelines ie make sure you are wearing enough/adequate PPE but also not to overuse it

Now if there was an infinite supply (and no global pandemic) this would just be a ridiculous thing to say (what’s a few quid to protect a life etc etc). However as we know there is a potential shortage and this situation may well get worse nationally and globally before it gets better. as I think SBD and others have highlighted countries have also banned exports and we don’t currently make much of our own. It was mentioned yesterday 700m pieces of PPF had been distributed to NHS/social care etc since the start of the outbreak and one of the comments was that a doctor/nurse can apparently safely wear some of the same PPE for a session rather than change per patient (which will no doubt come with its own risks, take additional time etc). Let’s assume for example it’s three patients per session, over a month that could be a difference of hundreds of millions of pieces of PPE, some of which could be in short supply or difficult to replace in future.

Ive said before that for me PPE distribution (and supply line) and testing of NHS workers are the two genuine issues I would want/expect to be addressed asap and fully investigated once this nightmare is over. I’m sure the last thing health workers want to hear when they are risking their lives is ‘be careful not to overuse PPE’ but if by using PPE safely and sensibly, as per guidelines it means there is more to go around and in turn save their or colleagues life in future, it’s maybe not such an outrageous thing to say.

*Prepares tin hat but hopefully people get the point being made. As I say this isn’t about preparedness etc this is about what was discussed at the briefing

no issue from me, pal, all well put

Ian1779 · Apr 11, 2020

Otis said:
With Trump it's always someone else's fault and he's always looking to apportion blame.

Or try and make a financial gain from a scenario. His mentality is that as the US is getting a bad deal from this situation, therefore Coronavirus is getting a good one.

fernandopartridge · Apr 11, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
Right, I’m going to put this out there as an alternative view, awaiting to be abused but here it goes and please hear me out.....

Firstly, do I think Hancock is out of his depth, yes, most probably (for all his historical issues with the NHS Hunt would’ve no doubt been far better in these circumstances but that’s currently irrelevant)

Do I think his comment about misuse of PPE was as callous as it’s been made out to be, no. In actual fact it’s a valid point. In the briefing he was asking people to follow the PPE guidelines ie make sure you are wearing enough/adequate PPE but also not to overuse it

Now if there was an infinite supply (and no global pandemic) this would just be a ridiculous thing to say (what’s a few quid to protect a life etc etc). However as we know there is a potential shortage and this situation may well get worse nationally and globally before it gets better. as I think SBD and others have highlighted countries have also banned exports and we don’t currently make much of our own. It was mentioned yesterday 700m pieces of PPF had been distributed to NHS/social care etc since the start of the outbreak and one of the comments was that a doctor/nurse can apparently safely wear some of the same PPE for a session rather than change per patient (which will no doubt come with its own risks, take additional time etc). Let’s assume for example it’s three patients per session, over a month that could be a difference of hundreds of millions of pieces of PPE, some of which could be in short supply or difficult to replace in future.

Ive said before that for me PPE distribution (and supply line) and testing of NHS workers are the two genuine issues I would want/expect to be addressed asap and fully investigated once this nightmare is over. I’m sure the last thing health workers want to hear when they are risking their lives is ‘be careful not to overuse PPE’ but if by using PPE safely and sensibly, as per guidelines it means there is more to go around and in turn save their or colleagues life in future, it’s maybe not such an outrageous thing to say.

*Prepares tin hat but hopefully people get the point being made. As I say this isn’t about preparedness etc this is about what was discussed at the briefing

Steve the 740m pieces of PPE is a useless figure out of context tbf. For reference the NHS uses on an average year over 1bn pairs of surgical gloves

Sick Boy · Apr 11, 2020

My girlfriend gets new PPE at the start of each shift, I’d presume and hope this is the same there.

Ian1779 · Apr 11, 2020

Otis said:
I don't get it.

I would describe myself as a socialist, but that wouldn't stop me criticising Jeremy Corbyn, or Kier Starmer, or whoever.

I think you can be a Conservative, but not rate the current government's stance and action on things and it is fine to not like Boris too.

If this was Labour and they too had fooked up, I would be first in line to criticise them too.

Maybe ‘decent’ conservatives have been subsumed by the cult of Brexit.

skybluetony176 · Apr 11, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Steve the 740m pieces of PPE is a useless figure out of context tbf. For reference the NHS uses on an average year over 1bn pairs of surgical gloves

Putting it into context makes it sound even worse.

Otis · Apr 11, 2020

Ian1779 said:
Maybe ‘decent’ conservatives have been subsumed by the cult of Brexit.

Misread that for a second. Cult. Right.

PVA · Apr 11, 2020

Otis said:
I don't get it.

I would describe myself as a socialist, but that wouldn't stop me criticising Jeremy Corbyn, or Kier Starmer, or whoever.

I think you can be a Conservative, but not rate the current government's stance and action on things and it is fine to not like Boris too.

If this was Labour and they too had fooked up, I would be first in line to criticise them too.

You'd think so, but it seems to be different for them.

Corbyn is/was a total clown, and there are many clowns (and worse) in the party. As someone who voted Labour in the last election I'm more than happy to admit that.

Yet Tory voters will defend them to the hilt, no matter what. Even if their actions are affecting or, worse, costing lives. Even if they've done/said something which they had previously pulled up a Labour MP for.

skybluetony176 · Apr 11, 2020

Ian1779 said:
Maybe ‘decent’ conservatives have been subsumed by the cult of Brexit.

It’s gone from a “broad church” to a narrow minded church.

CCFCSteve · Apr 11, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Steve the 740m pieces of PPE is a useless figure out of context tbf. For reference the NHS uses on an average year over 1bn pairs of surgical gloves

My point was is it’s in short supply (or could be) and something can help free up significant numbers then it’s worth considering

Ps as I’m boring I’d actually noted the figure for gloves yesterday, I think it was 345m distributed since the start of the outbreak. As I say that wasn’t so much the point as the message

Otis · Apr 11, 2020

There was talk again this morning about Sweden and whether their stance has been successful.

Well....

' Throughout the pandemic, Sweden's response to the coronavirus has been an odd one out. Unlike most of Europe, it did not introduce a lockdown - cafes and restaurants remain open, and schools have not closed. Although the government advised against non-essential travel, it has largely been business as usual, albeit a bit quieter.

Now Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has has admitted that Sweden was not properly prepared for the pandemic and that it is "obvious that country has not done enough". Restaurants not observing social distancing should be shut, he told Swedish broadcaster SVT.

In Sweden, 870 people have died from the virus - many more than neighbours Denmark (247) and Norway (113), where lockdowns were introduced in early March.'

There's the answer I think. 'Not properly prepared.'

CCFCSteve · Apr 11, 2020

Sick Boy said:
My girlfriend gets new PPE at the start of each shift, I’d presume and hope this is the same there.

Yes (as long as it’s not run out obviously !!!) I think one of the points being made yesterday was that PPE was potentially being changed per patient.

only picking up why was said, I don’t know the safety aspects (risks) etc

Ian1779 · Apr 11, 2020

PVA said:
You'd think so, but it seems to be different for them.

Corbyn is/was a total clown, and there are many clowns (and worse) in the party. As someone who voted Labour in the last election I'm more than happy to admit that.

Yet Tory voters will defend them to the hilt, no matter what. Even if their actions are affecting or, worse, costing lives. Even if they've done/said something which they had previously pulled up a Labour MP for.

Im sorry but he wasn’t a clown. You only have to look at the ideas in the 2017 and 2019 manifesto to know that he had a pretty decent idea of how a fairer society would work. Look at what has been implemented since this crisis has begun, and I bet we’d have been better prepared if Labour had won in 2017.

Naive? Made big mistakes? Too much baggage? Didn’t fight fire with fire? All legitimate criticisms and ultimately succumbed because he allowed a narrative of him to explode exponentially and it couldn’t be undone. Needed better people around him to challenge directly. Nicer way of doing this is very noble but no one else was playing that game.

But not a clown.

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