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David O'Day · Apr 16, 2020

Libel and Gdpr claims not going to happen. If you are using a work machine you have no expectation of privacy and your name is not a large breach if 1 at all.

They could try and sue individual users who then reposted the reports without their names redacted but that would be a stretch as well.

They were stupid enough to save WhatsApp chats about their employers on a work computer. Fuck em

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David O'Day · Apr 16, 2020

The tory on question time is really shit

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Ring Of Steel · Apr 16, 2020

So these “care” badges Hancock is waving around... the government is charging £1.20 each for them, minimum order quantity 100..

Germany tested 1.3m people, we tried to flog some badges around hospitals- whoever it was that asked what why Germany have done so much better than us, that’s kind of a good illustration why

shmmeee · Apr 16, 2020

clint van damme said:
The shes black so it's racist comment could easily be supplanted with shes Jewish so it's antisemitic in certain incidents.
Look at the spurious evidence against Marc Wadsworth in the Ruth Smeeth incident yet he got expelled

The tit for tat has got a long way to go unless Starmer can.prove himself to be the shrewdess of operators and find a way to nip it in the bud.

I see some of the staffers Are trying to stop their branch of Unite sending out a solidarity letter to BAME MPs as it implies guilt. They may have a point but you know how that's going to play out.
Too many people want their pound of flesh now.
Like I say, Starmer is going to.need to do something very impressive to get a grip on all of this.

Yeah I totally agree about the Jewish thing.

It’s such a clusterfuck man. We’ve built this environment where mere accusations of racism are virtually impossible to disprove as it’s all down to “tropes” or “feelings of the oppressed” so all you can do is resign and apologise. Hand that weapon to a pair of factions constantly at each other throats and it’s mutually assured destruction. Meanwhile the public looks on in disbelief, or more accurately rolls their eyes and ignores us.

Reading more and there’s definitely some shit behaviour in there. He’s going to have to take action but in the middle of this you’ve got the ECHR investigation and not GDPR and libel cases you’re trying not to prejudice.

Honestly worried this could kill the party. If not because of members leaving then the financial impact.

Ring Of Steel said:
So these “care” badges Hancock is waving around... the government is charging £1.20 each for them, minimum order quantity 100..

Germany tested 1.3m people, we tried to flog some badges around hospitals- whoever it was that asked what why Germany have done so much better than us, that’s kind of a good illustration why

The more you look into this the worse it gets. It’s not even a new scheme for this, it was launched in June 2019! The government have just basically publicised it. Absolute jokers.

Ring Of Steel · Apr 16, 2020

shmmeee said:
Yeah I totally agree about the Jewish thing.

It’s such a clusterfuck man. We’ve built this environment where mere accusations of racism are virtually impossible to disprove as it’s all down to “tropes” or “feelings of the oppressed” so all you can do is resign and apologise. Hand that weapon to a pair of factions constantly at each other throats and it’s mutually assured destruction. Meanwhile the public looks on in disbelief, or more accurately rolls their eyes and ignores us.

Reading more and there’s definitely some shit behaviour in there. He’s going to have to take action but in the middle of this you’ve got the ECHR investigation and not GDPR and libel cases you’re trying not to prejudice.

Honestly worried this could kill the party. If not because of members leaving then the financial impact.

The more you look into this the worse it gets. It’s not even a new scheme for this, it was launched in June 2019! The government have just basically publicised it. Absolute jokers.

I didn’t know that- makes it worse. You have to wonder whether they are having some kind of collective nervous breakdown or buckling under the pressure. What kind of mind thinks that doing that is what people want to hear and what they want done? You’d know more than me but it feels from a distance like the penny has finally dropped, and the voices saying “they’re doing a good job” are getting fewer and further between.

westcountry_skyblue · Apr 16, 2020

Dominic Raab will be the next PM of this country,
Mark my words just what we need

Ring Of Steel · Apr 16, 2020

westcountry_skyblue said:
Dominic Raab will be the next PM of this country,
Mark my words just what we need

and is that serious or an attempt at a wind-up?

SkyBlueDom26 · Apr 16, 2020

westcountry_skyblue said:
Dominic Raab will be the next PM of this country,
Mark my words just what we need

Haha oh dear mate you’ve opened yourself up to all the lefties on here now

SkyBlueDom26 · Apr 16, 2020

Will be a good watch tonight, will be interesting to see how they are planning on reopening

shmmeee · Apr 16, 2020

westcountry_skyblue said:
Dominic Raab will be the next PM of this country,
Mark my words just what we need

No way Raab wins the Tory leadership contest.

Ring Of Steel · Apr 16, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Haha oh dear mate you’ve opened yourself up to all the lefties on here now

Or perhaps he's opened himself up to people who don't like cretins running the country no matter what political beliefs they have.

One minute you're a terrified child, next you're asking the same questions over & over again and not having a clue what anything means, the next you're a cute little mascot for anyone you perceive to be "on the right". Pick a persona and stick with it, and smarten up ffs

skybluetony176 · Apr 16, 2020

shmmeee said:
No way Raab wins the Tory leadership contest.

I don’t know. He has all the right qualities. None.

skybluetony176 · Apr 16, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Will be a good watch tonight, will be interesting to see how they are planning on reopening

You missed it

chiefdave · Apr 16, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Will be a good watch tonight, will be interesting to see how they are planning on reopening

Guess someone has told Trump he doesn't have absolute power as he's had to go back on what he said earlier in the week and leave it up to the governor of each state.

The plan doesn't really contain anything of use. It basically says when cases start dropping things can gradually reopen.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 16, 2020

Brazil and USA dont deserve what they are about to experience. Trump still thinks acting tough and being decisive and arrogant are marks of leadership and he’s wrong.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 16, 2020

How come France has had 17000 positive tests today what’s the story

tisza · Apr 16, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
How come France has had 17000 positive tests today what’s the story

Catching up with care home testing. 36,% jump in care home infections

David O'Day · Apr 17, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Haha oh dear mate you’ve opened yourself up to all the lefties on here now

He's opened himself to anyone who rightly thinks Raab is a fucking idiot over promoted and thick as mince.

Astute · Apr 17, 2020

shmmeee said:
No way Raab wins the Tory leadership contest.

Why not?

If Boris can become PM so can Raab.

And the worse thing is if the infighting continues in the Labour party they will continue to run our country. Just look on here. It is more about point scoring and having a go at Starmer than anything else. You want a left leaning leader yourself even though left leaning never wins elections.

This is why I am becoming disheartened with Labour. There's too many that are more interested in our party being run by the left than having a serious chance of winning an election.

clint van damme · Apr 17, 2020

westcountry_skyblue said:
Dominic Raab will be the next PM of this country,
Mark my words just what we need

He didn't know Dover was an important port for UK/European trade and he has some skeletons in his closet regarding bullying and sexual harassment claims.

Though none of that seems to matter anymore.

clint van damme · Apr 17, 2020

shmmeee said:
Yeah I totally agree about the Jewish thing.

It’s such a clusterfuck man. We’ve built this environment where mere accusations of racism are virtually impossible to disprove as it’s all down to “tropes” or “feelings of the oppressed” so all you can do is resign and apologise. Hand that weapon to a pair of factions constantly at each other throats and it’s mutually assured destruction. Meanwhile the public looks on in disbelief, or more accurately rolls their eyes and ignores us.

Reading more and there’s definitely some shit behaviour in there. He’s going to have to take action but in the middle of this you’ve got the ECHR investigation and not GDPR and libel cases you’re trying not to prejudice.

Honestly worried this could kill the party. If not because of members leaving then the financial impact.

The more you look into this the worse it gets. It’s not even a new scheme for this, it was launched in June 2019! The government have just basically publicised it. Absolute jokers.

I think you're right about it potentially killing the party. on the flip side if Starmer can successfully bring the party out the other side then they have a good leader In place.
Underwhelming from him at the minute. Hasn't laid a glove on the Tories. Early days though.

shmmeee · Apr 17, 2020

clint van damme said:
He didn't know Dover was an important port for UK/European trade and he has some skeletons in his closet regarding bullying and sexual harassment claims.

Though none of that seems to matter anymore.

All they care about is annoying “lefties”. Destroying my country to own the libs.

clint van damme · Apr 17, 2020

the PPE farce continues:

Government 'ignores' UK textiles firms desperate to make PPE

Gardeners being urged to donate PPE now as well, what a fucking shambles.
It's behind a paywall but the headline tells you everything

skybluetony176 · Apr 17, 2020

clint van damme said:
the PPE farce continues:

Government 'ignores' UK textiles firms desperate to make PPE

Gardeners being urged to donate PPE now as well, what a fucking shambles.
It's behind a paywall but the headline tells you everything

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Hardly surprising from a government that is only interested in headline acts and scratching the backs of their mates.

SkyBlueCharlie9 · Apr 17, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Haha oh dear mate you’ve opened yourself up to all the lefties on here now

What do you think though Dom. Raab any good in your view?

The coventrian · Apr 17, 2020

Astute said:
Why not?

If Boris can become PM so can Raab.

And the worse thing is if the infighting continues in the Labour party they will continue to run our country. Just look on here. It is more about point scoring and having a go at Starmer than anything else. You want a left leaning leader yourself even though left leaning never wins elections.

This is why I am becoming disheartened with Labour. There's too many that are more interested in our party being run by the left than having a serious chance of winning an election.

Labour will never have an election win under there current guise. The working class are not interested in the left wing. The working class have deserted labour in there droves. I guess if your left wing and working class labour are great at the moment,but not for the majority of us in this country. I'm.a floating voter. I have no affiliation to any party. I'd not vote for labour though until they shake off this leftie tag. Labour have forgotten who they're supposed to represent. I work in manufacturing,arent labour supposed to be the party for the likes of me? The party for the people? Nobody I work with votes labour. I'd vote labour again in the future but not at the moment. The way the labour party is represented on here is how the floating voter sees them. Frothing left wingers who scream and shout nazi,racist,bigot at you if you disagree with them or dare raise a genuine question about something. This is why floating voters like me are kind of forced to vote Tory. I'm not getting pulled into a discussion about all this by the labour party 'enthusiasts' on here as you just cant seem to reason with them. They seem to be more into the labour party than they are the city. Like I've said,labour need to win back us,the working class neutral types we dont feel like you represent us anymore,no the Tories dont represent the working class but we know what the Tories are about,looking after the Tories but at least they dont pretend to represent the working class like labour do. Que the usual frothing idiots.

Astute · Apr 17, 2020

clint van damme said:
He didn't know Dover was an important port for UK/European trade and he has some skeletons in his closet regarding bullying and sexual harassment claims.

Though none of that seems to matter anymore.

As I said earlier if they can vote Boris in they could vote anyone in.

I am more concerned with what is happening with my own party. I have been urging people to get behind Startmer. But for instance people are trying to find fault with Starmer. You have done the same yourself.

The Tories could put a monkey in charge and still win. Labour are in total disarray.

Raab has historical allegations? Wasn't a problem when we had a speaker much worse. And there is your problem. It has started to become acceptable.

shmmeee · Apr 17, 2020

I’ll just leave this here. From a Dr.

There’s no excuse for voting Tory. No matter how much you hate lefties.

clint van damme · Apr 17, 2020

Astute said:
As I said earlier if they can vote Boris in they could vote anyone in.

I am more concerned with what is happening with my own party. I have been urging people to get behind Startmer. But for instance people are trying to find fault with Starmer. You have done the same yourself.

The Tories could put a monkey in charge and still win. Labour are in total disarray.

Raab has historical allegations? Wasn't a problem when we had a speaker much worse. And there is your problem. It has started to become acceptable.

I am giving Starmer a chance and acknowledge the issues surrounding this report have given him a major headache.
But, yes, early days, but what has Starmer done well so far in your opinion?

shmmeee · Apr 17, 2020

The coventrian said:
Labour will never have an election win under there current guise. The working class are not interested in the left wing. The working class have deserted labour in there droves. I guess if your left wing and working class labour are great at the moment,but not for the majority of us in this country. I'm.a floating voter. I have no affiliation to any party. I'd not vote for labour though until they shake off this leftie tag. Labour have forgotten who they're supposed to represent. I work in manufacturing,arent labour supposed to be the party for the likes of me? The party for the people? Nobody I work with votes labour. I'd vote labour again in the future but not at the moment. The way the labour party is represented on here is how the floating voter sees them. Frothing left wingers who scream and shout nazi,racist,bigot at you if you disagree with them or dare raise a genuine question about something. This is why floating voters like me are kind of forced to vote Tory. I'm not getting pulled into a discussion about all this by the labour party 'enthusiasts' on here as you just cant seem to reason with them. They seem to be more into the labour party than they are the city. Like I've said,labour need to win back us,the working class neutral types we dont feel like you represent us anymore,no the Tories dont represent the working class but we know what the Tories are about,looking after the Tories but at least they dont pretend to represent the working class like labour do. Que the usual frothing idiots.

That’s a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

Labour went into the last election offering to cut your bills, create thousands of well paid unionised and skilled jobs, build council houses, raise the NMW and tons more that would benefit the working class.

You haven’t given one actual reason Labour are against the working class because you don’t have one. You have a feeling because youve been told that by a thousand Facebook memes and because Corbyn doesn’t hate immigrants.

You’ve been had mate. You e been conned. The Tories don’t give a shit about you and if you’re honest you can’t actually name anything past Brexit that they’re offering and even that you don’t know what’ll benefit you.

The Tories had the thinnest manifesto in history. They’re cutting services and stripping workers rights and you’ve been conned into voting for them by tickling your patriotism bone.

It’s so telling that so many of you guys go on and on and on about Labour but never say what’s so great about the Tories. Like someone who’s wife left them and they can’t shut up about them. You obviously care about Labour, it screams out of every post.

Astute · Apr 17, 2020

The coventrian said:
Labour will never have an election win under there current guise. The working class are not interested in the left wing. The working class have deserted labour in there droves. I guess if your left wing and working class labour are great at the moment,but not for the majority of us in this country. I'm.a floating voter. I have no affiliation to any party. I'd not vote for labour though until they shake off this leftie tag. Labour have forgotten who they're supposed to represent. I work in manufacturing,arent labour supposed to be the party for the likes of me? The party for the people? Nobody I work with votes labour. I'd vote labour again in the future but not at the moment. The way the labour party is represented on here is how the floating voter sees them. Frothing left wingers who scream and shout nazi,racist,bigot at you if you disagree with them or dare raise a genuine question about something. This is why floating voters like me are kind of forced to vote Tory. I'm not getting pulled into a discussion about all this by the labour party 'enthusiasts' on here as you just cant seem to reason with them. They seem to be more into the labour party than they are the city. Like I've said,labour need to win back us,the working class neutral types we dont feel like you represent us anymore,no the Tories dont represent the working class but we know what the Tories are about,looking after the Tories but at least they dont pretend to represent the working class like labour do. Que the usual frothing idiots.

I also worked in manufacturing. We are all union members. Many of us have close ties to our union. Our union tells us who we should vote for. But most ignore the advice as they don't trust anything seriously to the left. But previously you would have struggled to find a single Tory voter. Even most of the younger members just starting off their career vote Tory more than Labour.

I'm not a floating voter. I am Labour only. But last time I didn't bother. And I won't bother again until I have something worthwhile to vote for.

Astute · Apr 17, 2020

clint van damme said:
I am giving Starmer a chance and acknowledge the issues surrounding this report have given him a major headache.
But, yes, early days, but what has Starmer done well so far in your opinion?

Everything is shut down. This isn't like when a leader normally takes over. No question times. No debates.

Are you expecting a running commentary on everything that is happening?

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 17, 2020

The coventrian said:
I'd not vote for labour though until they shake off this leftie tag.

The whole point of the Labour Party is to be be a left wing party!

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 17, 2020

shmmeee said:
That’s a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

Labour went into the last election offering to cut your bills, create thousands of well paid unionised and skilled jobs, build council houses, raise the NMW and tons more that would benefit the working class.

You haven’t given one actual reason Labour are against the working class because you don’t have one. You have a feeling because youve been told that by a thousand Facebook memes and because Corbyn doesn’t hate immigrants.

You’ve been had mate. You e been conned. The Tories don’t give a shit about you and if you’re honest you can’t actually name anything past Brexit that they’re offering and even that you don’t know what’ll benefit you.

The Tories had the thinnest manifesto in history. They’re cutting services and stripping workers rights and you’ve been conned into voting for them by tickling your patriotism bone.

It’s so telling that so many of you guys go on and on and on about Labour but never say what’s so great about the Tories. Like someone who’s wife left them and they can’t shut up about them. You obviously care about Labour, it screams out of every post.

Love that it’s bang on and my repeated mantra to far too many good people and friends

Astute · Apr 17, 2020

shmmeee said:
Labour went into the last election offering to cut your bills, create thousands of well paid unionised and skilled jobs, build council houses, raise the NMW and tons more that would benefit the working class.

Spending untold billions to give free internet to all with finances that didn't stand up and in a timescale that wasn't possible.

Jobs? What was that?

What we did have was a leader that was useless. And you say the same yourself now. That is why the Tories didn't even need a manifesto. We were beat even before the election was called. Yet many just want the same again. A leader hanging on the left so far that they are not interested in the better things towards the other side of the spectrum. And we will never get in until things change.

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