Originally you were going on about having the right to go to a park and now you seem to claim to have been all on favour of closing the border? You’re making it up as you go along, again.No it isn’t. If they’d locked the borders against FOM regulations gigs he screaming racist bastards. You believed that nut job on twitter. Even if it was correct you’d have still screamed that they were a racist government. You want liberalism and not total government empowerment - if you seriously believe any ruling party would have taken the required action you are deluding yourself
BrilliantMeanwhile in Wales, the national Government has reached new levels of awesomeness.
Quite a few more were as well to be fair, I’d imagine it’s your impact on us all over the years.
Originally you were going on about having the right to go to a park and now you seem to claim to have been all on favour of closing the border? You’re making it up as you go along, again.
The fact is the government is weak and ineffective, when did they ban flights from China? Even now they’re more preoccupied about upsetting popular opinion rather than effectively managing the pandemic.
Quite a few more were as well to be fair, I’d imagine it’s your impact on us all over the years.
You used to go on about having the right to go out to parks. Flights from China were banned here at the end of January, when were they banned to the UK?when I have I mentioned parks?
If we’d banned flights in January to and from Italy you’d have been all over it like a rash
I see we're now at the point where Grendel is trying to start arguments based on a hypothetical stance that he imagines people would have taken over something that didn't happen.
It's great comedyI see we're now at the point where Grendel is trying to start arguments based on a hypothetical stance that he imagines people would have taken over something that didn't happen.
Clambering over himself to make his imaginary point he also accidentally pointed out Boris is incompetent.I see we're now at the point where Grendel is trying to start arguments based on a hypothetical stance that he imagines people would have taken over something that didn't happen.
You used to go on about having the right to go out to parks. Flights from China were banned here at the end of January, when were they banned to the UK?
I doubt many would though. We’ve seen on here the promotion of a twitter crank who claimed the government made up NHS accounts to support herd immunity when a cursory piece of research would show he’s a nut job
No one will make these decisions now as they are terrified of the masses swallowing the twitter frenzy of utterly insane accusations. The person who made this ridiculous accusation should be put in prison for 10 years and anyone promoting the nonsense a hefty fine and warning of future conduct
Then governments may become brave again
I see we now want to be part of any new EU purchasing rounds. Clearly a political decision.
It’s a fair point Sick Boy and the US banned flights from China on 3 or 4 Feb (think we only banned flights from Wuhan), however, I’m not convinced it did either country much good as by then the virus was already in the respective countries
Hindsight’s a great thing but in reality from what I can see (I might be wrong) youve got to pretty much ban all flights/international travel at very early stage (or the world leaders all agree travel ban from the high risk areas). One example would be that there’s little point Italy banning flights from China if the rest of the EU doesn’t (with freedom of movement).
Once the pandemic is reasonably wide spread any partial travel bans (other than very high risk areas) probably have little effect.
The international coordination in response to the pandemic has been poor (don’t get me started on China and their initial suppression of information)
I get the point about travel bans being ineffective after the event. But fast forward a couple of months are we really going to allow unrestricted/unchecked travel when we may be most vulnerable to a second wave of infections? Do we really want people from a high-risk country (like the US which has absolutely gone to shit) potentially brining it back to these shores??
That’s the time when we need to restrict, screen and track very diligently.
I work in the industrial laundry industry, hospital scrubs, bed sheets, towels, bed curtains ect are collected daily. They’re taken away & laundered off-site in the vast majority of hospitals.That's what I thought would be the case, on the news the other day they were saying they weren't which is why people were rushing to make millions more.
I can understand why gloves aren't but things that are material, just wash them properly and re-use.
Yeah I agree with you, banning flights from specific countries is pointless, I wasn’t the one making the point though.It’s a fair point Sick Boy and the US banned flights from China on 3 or 4 Feb (think we only banned flights from Wuhan), however, I’m not convinced it did either country much good as by then the virus was already in the respective countries
Hindsight’s a great thing but in reality from what I can see (I might be wrong) youve got to pretty much ban all flights/international travel at very early stage (or the world leaders all agree travel ban from the high risk areas). One example would be that there’s little point Italy banning flights from China if the rest of the EU doesn’t (with freedom of movement).
Once the pandemic is reasonably wide spread any partial travel bans (other than very high risk areas) probably have little effect.
The international coordination in response to the pandemic has been poor (don’t get me started on China and their initial suppression of information)
Oh it’s our biggest advantage no question and yes we could have locked our borders immediately and should have done. Whatever you think of this government it’s essentially weak and liberal on its thinking and courts popular thinking. If they’d done it the outrage regarding its racist, xenophobic behaviour would have been confirmed. The Rachel Riley stalkier would have been in full flow and everyone pretty much in here would have been outraged
Churchill would have locked the borders and anyone who’s travelled from China, Italy and Spain would be against their will isolated
and everyone on here would squeal racist Tory
I think if children going skiing in Italy in January were forcibly detained for two weeks afterwards there would have been outrage. I do think the one thing the government could and should have done is locked borders and detained all nationals from high infected areas for two weeks and then cancelled all future travel but I also think the backlash would have been horrific.
So do the British.The Italians seemed less than happy
'As if we were the disease': coronavirus brings prejudice for Italy's Chinese workers
Agree Ian. I can’t see international travel getting fully back to normal until much later this year at the earliest anyway. It surely should be in our thinking when agreeing exit from lockdown strategy (no point us getting it under control and allowing travellers from high risk areas in).
However, do you allow travel from non high risk areas/countries with similar transmission rates to ourselves ?! My view is probably yes (as travel numbers will probably be significantly lower compared to a normal year) but then again, if those countries are allowing high risk travellers into their countries the problem remains.
tricky !
Some of the Spanish don't like their medical workers either,getting abused by those they live near to
We could let them in but test for symptoms and/or make them isolate and provide details of travel plans etc. Ideally we could test them on arrival properly but not feasible (at the moment anyway).
Mind you, we should have done that from the start.
Smokers 80% less likely to get the virus?
French researchers to test nicotine patches on coronavirus patients
I had a problem with the weird mask wearing.
Sure I read something the other day saying they were more likely!!
Made this point last week. (I think. Dates & times blurry now
Smokers 80% less likely to get the virus?
French researchers to test nicotine patches on coronavirus patients
I don’t think anything is supposed to be delivered yet is it? There’s schedules for delivery to meet demand as it’s needed based on information from those that took part in the scheme. It set out to find new suppliers and manufacturers for PPE and other medical supplies and as far as I understand they succeeded in that. If the first scheduled delivery is missed then the article may have a point.
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