Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (10 Viewers)

[Nick]

The whole idea of it is to have food delivered surely? Going into town and queuing for a burger defeats the object.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

So I'm being facetious. You've got the degree.

Yes infection rates and severity are different. But I didn't say about the severity. The article didn't say about severity. Yet I am the one who is supposedly being facetious.

So let's forget about your point scoring. Why are smokers 80% less likely to get the virus if these numbers are correct?

I wasn't being arsey I just couldn't tell

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Missus got told off by some shop staff in Sainsbury's for looking too closely at stuff. She's visually impaired but was told 'they're not a protected group'

 

[Nick]

Have they started to delve into all of the deaths they are announcing?

We saw it with the young lad who died in Coventry of "COVID-19" but the doctor said he had COVID-19 but he didn't die from it.

Are there stats which say how many people per month die of cancer, flu, heart disease etc?

In the care homes when they are saying the deaths, are they testing people after they have died to say whether they had it or not? I know depending on the size of care homes they have deaths every couple of days.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Think you are absolutely correct about that!

 

[djr8369]

There isn't a chance that will happen

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Which bit and what's your alternative?

 

[djr8369]

Have they started to delve into all of the deaths they are announcing?

We saw it with the young lad who died in Coventry of "COVID-19" but the doctor said he had COVID-19 but he didn't die from it.

Are there stats which say how many people per month die of cancer, flu, heart disease etc?

In the care homes when they are saying the deaths, are they testing people after they have died to say whether they had it or not? I know depending on the size of care homes they have deaths every couple of days.

I don't think they are testing but many homes are seeing many more deaths than normal.

 

[Nick]

Just looked, a positive test result isn't required for somebody to have died from Coronavirus.

Bit mad really.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The lack of PPE is obviously shocking but the fact that up to half of Europe's deaths are in care homes is absolutely appalling. Interesting article from a GP in the UK who claims that her early warnings were ignored by public health authorities. Forget heads rolling there could well be legal investigations on individuals once the dust settles from this.

GP calls for action after 125 of her care home patients die of Covid-19

It doesn't help their cause that many of their advisors have link to eugenic beliefs and letting the frail and elderly die. This virus is almost their wet dream if only there wasn't that pesky thing called scrutiny.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not really, or not yet anyway, unless the virus disappears or until a vaccine has found.

If a country has locked down sooner/better then their infections and deaths will of course be a lot less at the moment. However, assuming (and it’s still a big assumption) that (a large majority of) people can’t catch it twice, there will also be more people who can catch it in those countries in future waves in those countries I presume it may also spread quicker in those countries as there are more people to catch it.

Of course if a vaccine/better treatments are found quickly those that have currently been the best in tracing, tracking and suppressing the virus will ultimately have been the most successful in tackling it. At the very least they are certainly buying themselves more time to find better treatments, get better prepared etc (and find a potential vaccine) which has got to be a good thing. However, if on the other hand a vaccine solution isn’t found then eventually a majority of people will get it so it will be more how patients are treated and it’s essential that countries remain below their health service capacity (I’d imagine if the outbreak had hit in the autumn and peaked over the winter most health services wouldn’t have coped - this is still my concern regarding the second wave, however, hopefully by then we will have better ability to control the spread, as well as better treatments and capacity)

ps Just to clarify, I’m saying this with little (fuck all !!!) scientific knowledge, just applying logic to what I’ve read/understood to date so won’t be offended if people shoot me down. There are so many variables at play it’s almost impossible to guess what will happen in the coming months (or longer)

With a vaccine a fair way off an accurate 'who's had it' test will be the next best

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Idiots - both Five Guys (obviously no attempt to get people to social distance) and the people in the queue !

It's not even a Five Guys - it's just saying how many people are allowed in the store at any one time.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's not even a Five Guys - it's just saying how many people are allowed in the store at any one time.

Is G at the back of the queue?

 

[djr8369]

What you are most likely to see is the lifting and tightening as required of the restrictions. Chris Whitty hinself said yesterday they would have to take into account if the restrictions where going to have themselves an adverse effect on the nations health

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Well yes but what does that look like? What is lifted or relaxed and what is kept in place to keep Ro at or below 1?

 

[djr8369]

This is madness.

Why is it allowed still? You can't walk round a country park but you can queue up for a burger.

Yet McDonalds drive through closed.

 

[David O'Day]

Which bit and what's your alternative?

The restrictions remaining until there is a vaccine.

It's not going to work economically or practically. You can't keep people in lockdown for up to 18 months as it will be worse for peoples health and they are liable to start to ignore it.

You need to wait until the transmission data is down and then go back to the test and track methods. That requires high testing capacity but that will happen eventually.



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[CCFCSteve]

With a vaccine a fair way off an accurate 'who's had it' test will be the next best

In terms of trying to return the country to some form of normality a reliable antibody test will be massive, as I think will be the NHS app if they can get it up and running (issues with Apple/android around data protection) - which can automatically notify you if you’ve been around someone diagnosed with Covid

I think we are starting an antibody study of 20k people today/very soon

 

[David O'Day]

Just looked, a positive test result isn't required for somebody to have died from Coronavirus.

Bit mad really.

Yep the out of hospital deaths are what is recorded on the death certificate and that does not require confirmation.

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[wingy]

Universities are expecting 230,000 fewer students – that's serious financial pain | Jo Grady

Have wondered what this particular sphere of economic activity will look like come September/October.

 

[Nick]

Yep the out of hospital deaths are what is recorded on the death certificate and that does not require confirmation.

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Even the ones in hospital, they don't need to test positive for it to be a covid death.

 

[shmmeee]

Which Five Guys is that?

Is that the New Street one?

Just asking cos I might go and be outraged in person.

 

[Nick]

Which Five Guys is that?

Is that the New Street one?

Just asking cos I might go and be outraged in person.

Up north I think

 

[shmmeee]

Just looked, a positive test result isn't required for somebody to have died from Coronavirus.

Bit mad really.

Not really. Doctors/morticians/whatever are capable of diagnosing without tests for all kinds of things and AFAIK the tests aren’t 100% reliable anyway, especially if asymptomatic.

And again, the exact cause of death for each person isn’t really relevant. It’s overall excess deaths.

 

[wingy]

4.5,k new cases

Where is this transmission occurring

 

[CCFCSteve]

4.5,k new cases

Where is this transmission occurring

In queues outside five guys by the looks of it

 

[chiefdave]

Have they started to delve into all of the deaths they are announcing?

ONS has cause of death data:
Deaths - Office for National Statistics

There's a study here on how long people who died with Covid-19 would have otherwise been expected to live:
COVID-19 – exploring the... | Wellcome Open Research

Probably the easiest thing to look at is total deaths compared to previous years:

 

[djr8369]

The restrictions remaining until there is a vaccine.

It's not going to work economically or practically. You can't keep people in lockdown for up to 18 months as it will be worse for peoples health and they are liable to start to ignore it.

You need to wait until the transmission data is down and then go back to the test and track methods. That requires high testing capacity but that will happen eventually.



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I made no suggestion the restrictions remain until there is a vaccine or that lockdown would continue for 18 months. I said social distancing might last all year (which is what has been mentioned) and questioned what that looks like while trying to get the economy going.

 

[chiefdave]

Yet McDonalds drive through closed.

McDonalds, like pretty much everywhere else, closed voluntarily. Its all well and good people on social media being outraged that places like B&Q and Five Guys are reopening and asking why the government are allowing it. The government never stopped it in the first place.

Really shows the complete lack of common sense in many people. I like a burger as much as the next person but its not something I'd risk my life over.

 

[Nick]

McDonalds, like pretty much everywhere else, closed voluntarily. Its all well and good people on social media being outraged that places like B&Q and Five Guys are reopening and asking why the government are allowing it. The government never stopped it in the first place.

Really shows the complete lack of common sense in many people. I like a burger as much as the next person but its not something I'd risk my life over.

I don't get why the police allow it if they are clamping down on people in country parks walking on their own?

Who thinks they must go and queue for a burger like that.

 

[CCFCSteve]

McDonalds, like pretty much everywhere else, closed voluntarily. Its all well and good people on social media being outraged that places like B&Q and Five Guys are reopening and asking why the government are allowing it. The government never stopped it in the first place.

Really shows the complete lack of common sense in many people. I like a burger as much as the next person but its not something I'd risk my life over.

Agree, no ssue with them being open, but people need to adhere to the social distancing as much as possible (and stores should also be trying to enforce it, like the supermarkets are now doing)

 

[djr8369]

McDonalds, like pretty much everywhere else, closed voluntarily. Its all well and good people on social media being outraged that places like B&Q and Five Guys are reopening and asking why the government are allowing it. The government never stopped it in the first place.

Really shows the complete lack of common sense in many people. I like a burger as much as the next person but its not something I'd risk my life over.

Yeah the lack of clear cut guidance is remarkable. I wonder how much the drop in transmission rate is down the voluntary stuff? People keep asking me why I am still going to work. As you say though nothing to say most people can't. Government might have made a rod for their own back here as at some point they are going to have to say they won't pay for furlough of voluntarily closed places but then businesses who need to furlough people due to reduced demand will have to prove they need the support, load more admin.

 

[Sick Boy]

In full lockdown mode now, head has been shaved.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The restrictions remaining until there is a vaccine.

It's not going to work economically or practically. You can't keep people in lockdown for up to 18 months as it will be worse for peoples health and they are liable to start to ignore it.

You need to wait until the transmission data is down and then go back to the test and track methods. That requires high testing capacity but that will happen eventually.



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That's what is being planned by the look of it

 

[Sick Boy]

Phase 2 starting here from the 4th but seems that we won’t be back at work in May.

 

[wingy]

Agree, no ssue with them being open, but people need to adhere to the social distancing as much as possible (and stores should also be trying to enforce it, like the supermarkets are now doing)

Yep B&Q are, possibly what you can buy as well
But I'm fairly sure you can buy online with delivery too
Fairly sure there are certain construction jobs which could be safely carried out .
Not sure of obtaining materials from wholesalers though

 

[David O'Day]

I made no suggestion the restrictions remain until there is a vaccine or that lockdown would continue for 18 months. I said social distancing might last all year (which is what has been mentioned) and questioned what that looks like while trying to get the economy going.

That was what the stories regarding chris Whitty said.

Social distancing is what we are in now, this isn't a lockdown so no social distancing will not last all year

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