I'm actually sympathetic to the first point. People clamouring for house arrest is... an interesting sociological event. That also makes me sympathetic towards protest as democracy requires government to be challenged and held to account, it also requires the disenfranchised to be allowed a chance to gain a voice. You can, of course, do the latter in a different way at present.
It's the chaos of the messaging I have most of an issue with!
All of it combined?
How many would you be willing to take in? That would be zero wouldn't it. We're in the middle of a pandemic ffs. We're the worst country in Europe so why would they want to come here?Firstly - you have a point about mass gatherings and the effect they could have on the spread of the virus. I don’t know how you protest whilst remaining socially distant. Lockdown was ended by the government and their ‘leading by example’ actions. And as Brighton said - there have been lots of other examples of mass gatherings on beach and parks by people of all ages, skin colours and political persuasions.
Secondly - I didn’t realise you were personally provided with the data on their individual circumstances. I assume you’ll know if they are people that are claiming asylum, or refugees. But you won’t care regardless. You just see what you want to.
Total bollocks.Regarding the men vs women thing @The coventrian
I believe the idea is young men are more likely to make the dangerous journey across and then either send money back, or get asylum and bring their family over. That’s why it’s young men. The elderly and frail don’t tend to cling to rafts/the underside of lorries so well.
I actually think that at the beginning, the mesage was (relatively) clear, and people obeyed it pretty well. Streets were deserted initially! What there hasn't been is clarity since. now in johnson's defence(! something that I feel very odd writing!) he wasn't actually around for part of it to deliver the message, but that stage was also, arguably, where it would have struck home most to people the necessity of following the rules. Since then, retrospective revalations, pick n mix policy, and the desire to leak stages to guage public opinion before delivering updates at times when they can't be effectively challenged by the opposition, has seen it unravel more and more. There was one update where it was a collective 'huh?!?' of what, actually, did it *mean*?!?Im generally quite the libertarian, but like war a pandemic is an exceptional event where the normal rules don’t apply.
A tight lockdown could’ve been achieved with more strict policing. Just like other countries. It would’ve meant an order of magnitude fewer deaths and as we’ve seen in NZ lockdown ending far earlier.
I actually think that at the beginning, the mesage was (relatively) clear, and people obeyed it pretty well. Streets were deserted initially! What there hasn't been is clarity since. now in johnson's defence(! something that I feel very odd writing!) he wasn't actually around for part of it to deliver the message, but that stage was also, arguably, where it would have struck home most to people the necessity of following the rules. Since then, retrospective revalations, pick n mix policy, and the desire to leak stages to guage public opinion before delivering updates at times when they can't be effectively challenged by the opposition, has seen it unravel more and more. There was one update where it was a collective 'huh?!?' of what, actually, did it *mean*?!?
This isn’t quite right TBF. Spain have developed a bat shit way of counting that saw their deaths drop from a couple of hundred to single figures overnight. In all likelihood their real figures would’ve put the 27 slightly ahead.
Even so, we are waaaaay out of kilter with the rest of the continent.
Yesterday we were (the 27 EU countries that is).
Even for just one day, that's horrendous.
I wonder what we should do about Rees-Mogg? He’s made MP’s come back and anyone who saw footage from inside parliament yesterday would have seen social distancing inside parliament as bad as social distancing at a demonstration outside of parliament. You could actually argue that what Rees-Mogg organised is many times worse as parliament is an enclosed space whereas the demonstration was at least outside where the risk of spreading infection is greatly diminished. Just to be clear I’m not saying that makes the demonstration okay as far as social distancing is concerned, I’m far from happy with the scenes outside of parliament. I’m saying the scenes inside parliament was arguably far worse as far as risk of spreading the virus is concerned.
Yes!Have they said anything has changed though?
No just send them back.
It was an absurd idea to begin with. The fact that one minister immediately came down with Covid symptoms is just the icing on the cake to really ram home how absurd the idea was.
Literally everything they do goes wrong. It'd almost be funny if the situation wasn't so serious.
People just need to ignore that racist fuck.Guess that's an upgrade on drowning them. What if they are genuinely seeking asylum?
Don't forget the 14 day quarantine makes total sense because we don't want a second spike and we'll make sure you get fined a grand but you can still go to the shop
Barry Gardiner. The good old hypocritical labour party. I assume he'll be asked to resign now?
Says the willenhall chav who hates white people.People just need to ignore that racist fuck.
Sounds well Tile Hill
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Yes!
ffs. You're proving the messaging has been feeble if you don't know.What can I do now that I couldn't before? Is it actually confirmed?
He should. But you can understand if he didn't - Cummings didn't so why should he? Tories have set the precedent now.
Truth is he was probably safer outside with the protesters than he was inside herded like cattle with all the MP’s forced to come in.He should. But you can understand if he didn't - Cummings didn't so why should he? Tories have set the precedent now.
I don't get quarantine at all, however is it because they suspect that each country has developed a different strain of the virus, and having a new variant of COVID now let loose would cause havoc, as opposed to the indigenous UK COVID which is now nicely spread all over the country thanks to the actions of the last couple of months
What's he going to resign? He's not a front bencher.He should. But you can understand if he didn't - Cummings didn't so why should he? Tories have set the precedent now.
I hate white people?Says the willenhall chav who hates white people.
Total bollocks.
What's he going to resign? He's not a fro t bencher.
Fuck me he is stupid
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It seems I hate white people even though I'm very very whiteWhat a well sourced and expertly argued opinion, I’m convinced.
He should. But you can understand if he didn't - Cummings didn't so why should he? Tories have set the precedent now.
ffs. You're proving the messaging has been feeble if you don't know.
I hate white people?
I'm so white you'd probably vote for me.
Ffs you goon
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Im not disputing that, I just don't watch and analyse every announcement they make or claim to be an expert on manipulated graphs while comparing them to other countries that report differently.
I know that gatherings of family are now allowed in gardens etc but other than that, it's pretty much the same as the start. (Unless you are fighting a cause in which case you can do whatever the fuck you want and hide behind the cause. I can do what I want because I am showing love for the NHS)
I'm Irish so I have see through skin.It's like the other day when Grendel accused me of hating foreigners because I am pro freedom of movement.
They're a strange bunch the right
And Jenrick. And Kinnock.
They should be prosecuted we shouldn’t run the pandemic response on an honour system.
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