Just this thread?Long before social media, I remember my long departed father telling me never to argue about religion and politics. This thread shows why, although I understand how it engages people.
But all the Conservatives were telling us he was a stand up guy this time last year, including of course Johnson.
Just to have my last say on my spat with Grendel earlier...
Not looking to restart the argument (and apparently he's put me on ignore which is fine, so it shouldn't restart the argument)
I just want to make my point clear as Grendel accused me of some pretty awful stuff so to avoid any doubt about my views:
- I find/found Johnson's comments to be racist
- Some argued it wasn't racist on a technicality
- Grendel took 2 + 2 and made 8642395 and suggested that me finding Johnson's comments to be racist means I agree with Burkhas and think women being murdered for not wearing them is fine. What an absurd conclusion to draw
- I asked him 3 or 4 times to just state that Islamophobia is bad and he simply couldn't/wouldn't. Which says it all.
- He put me on ignore.
- The end
Unfortunately you’ve said what you’ve said and we’ve all learnt a lot about you. Best to just leave it now mate
Oh good, Grendel's lapdog is here.
Maybe you can denounce Islamophobia on his behalf.
Just this thread?
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Offside.So where do we think Max stands on any of this?
Cummings is the definition of a Rat, awful person.
It’s all thanks to his Boris persona.Johnson is Teflon isn’t he
He is. Everyone knew this though, so why make him such a key part of the government? It was always going to end in tears.
Why do so many people still talk about the countries economy as if it operates the same way as your personal credit card bill?
Its kind of irrelevant though Faz. It’s what the public think that matters. Whatever the Tories were saying about Cummings, the Barnard castle incident damaged the government quite a bit at the time because of public perception
From memory that was peak Starmer polling time
Dep Cabinet secretary walks in and says official in charge of coordinating with Dept for Health. He said: "I've been told for years there was a whole plan for this. There is no plan. We're in huge trouble."
The Dep Cab sec added: "I think we are absolutely fucked. This country is heading for disaster. We're going to kill thousands of people."
Jesus Christ. He says on the 12th, the Cabinet Secretary was telling the PM that they had a herd immunity plan "like the old chickenpox parties".
This is March 12th. They'd had weeks by this stage, of seeing what happened in China, of seeing what was happening in Italy. And that's the conversation they were having. About chickenpox parties.
When we talk about when we mention competence in government, about having people in charge who have the intellectual and emotional suitability for the role. This is what it means. This is what happens when you decide that kind of shit doesn't matter.
Re: Cummings (and I confess not to have followed his antics to the nth degree) I listened too a lot of his 'espousing' this morning and one bit that hit me was his use of 'not being an expert' or 'not understanding stuff, so didn't get involved' when it suited him. Used it like a get out of jail free card. Slippery as an eel.
It's the wonderful conceit that does it. You can literally see him thinking through the lies and spin. To be clear, I'm not saying this to defend Johnson and the govt in any way. Cummings is an absolute bastard, treats people like shit, and his ideas are stupid and reckless. Worse of all, he half-believes his own myth.
Pay attention to how his uses his hands and body language try to engage, in over compensation of lies and weak points.
And yet our PM had him at the heart of government and his likely successor will give him even more ofa free hand.
And yet our PM had him at the heart of government and his likely successor will give him even more ofa free hand.
Laura Kuenssberg is going to be scapegoated as well as he's just admitted her he used her as a press mouthpiece.
He is the epitome of the very worst kind of (IT) consultant. He enters a building with a grand plan constructed to his ill-grounded vision and beliefs, spends the first half of his tenancy connecting to the powerbase to force through badly conceived and reckless ideas that have no consideration for the art of the possible against known technical, security and policy considerations and standards, then spends the second half engaged in deflection of blame, before finally leaving and then updating his LinkedIn profile with how he transformed the entire organisation.
Others have done the same, but Cummings' MO is a sight to behold, and the effect on individuals left in his wake is not good at all.
Ive had enough - all my children are female. In your sad distorted male dominated world if I was a Muslim man and made them wear stupid ridiculous clothes from a mediaeval world and forced them To say they liked it even if there was a way of banning it you’d say no make them wear it
If I was a white next door neighbour who saw them crying every day as they went to school you’d say from your white ivory tower I’m islamaphobic
On ignore - gave you a chance you bigoted moronic fuckwit but that’s it
Nope, that wasn’t my point. Struggling businesses who are losing money or have greater expenses aren’t going to increase their staff’s wages.
The Government finds itself in a similar position. Less tax income, more expenditure and so on. So increasing the wages of public sector staff isn’t going to be a good idea at this moment in time.
The Government is already toying with taxes raises to pay for the pandemic. Why would it elect to increase its deficit?
If the economy bounces back as is being forecasted, I’d be all up for giving a windfall pay rise to public sector workers.
Let’s stay on topic here. My argument is very much the Government has increased its deficit with its response to COVID and that needs to managed. Therefore, increasing public sector pay by more than the 1% it already has isn’t a sound idea at this moment in time.
It’s furlough scheme has kept people in jobs at a huge cost. That cost needs to be paid for and the Government has increased corporate tax, frozen the tax thresholds and could even increase the tax rate too. Again, increasing the day-to-day costs of the government doesn’t seem sensible at this moment in time.
If you substitute "IT consultant" for senior managers within the NHS that statement is accurate beyond belief!!
How these people, with absolutely no knowledge, understanding and insight into the decisions they make and how they will impact on the people and service they are in charge of stay in post is unbelievable. The way they rewrite history, glossing over the fuck up's they have initiated and learn nothing from their mistakes is endemic and becomes the 'cultural norm'.
Feels a bit dirty agreeing with Cummings... but ain't this the truth
Blair had Campbell at the heart of government who was implicit in a suspicious motive for a war and also the death of an individual who was bullied and harangued.
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