Latvia and Lithuania are both NATO members, so NATO would have to step in then.
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Latvia and Lithuania are both NATO members, so NATO would have to step in then.
skybluetony176
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I’m old enough to remember when Tories were spitting feathers at sports getting involved in politics for taking the knee. How the worm has turned
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Truss tells English teams to boycott Champions League final over Russia crisis
English teams should boycott the Champions League final over Russia's potential invasion in Ukraine, Liz Truss has told LBC.
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skybluetony176
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Boris sounding like Corbyn in PMQ’s.
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Amazing isn't it. They just don't realise how inconsistent and muddled they are.I’m old enough to remember when Tories were spitting feathers at sports getting involved in politics for taking the knee. How the worm has turned
Truss tells English teams to boycott Champions League final over Russia crisis
English teams should boycott the Champions League final over Russia's potential invasion in Ukraine, Liz Truss has told LBC.
Sky Blue Pete
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And no one cares
skybluetony176
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The Conservative and Russian Federation Party
Couple this with Boris’ PMQ’s performance that made Corbyns response to the Salisbury poisoning look strong. They’re so reluctant to be strong on this. Why?
Couple this with Boris’ PMQ’s performance that made Corbyns response to the Salisbury poisoning look strong. They’re so reluctant to be strong on this. Why?
chiefdave
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Government to launch study on economic benefits of reintroducing imperial units
Exclusive: Business minister mocked for ‘ludicrous’ attempt to quantify ‘Brexit benefit’
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skybluetony176
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Global Britain. Reintroduce an out of date measurement system only used by 2 countries in the world. Genius.Government to launch study on economic benefits of reintroducing imperial units
Exclusive: Business minister mocked for ‘ludicrous’ attempt to quantify ‘Brexit benefit’
clint van damme
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Trump praises ‘genius’ Putin for moving troops to eastern Ukraine
Former president says Russian leader made ‘very savvy’ decision to recognise two territories of eastern Ukraine as independent
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I think it is worse than that. It's about actual bias in favour of the Government to the detriment of democracy and accountability. His role should extend to facilitating reasonable challenge.
clint van damme
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Trump praises ‘genius’ Putin for moving troops to eastern Ukraine
Former president says Russian leader made ‘very savvy’ decision to recognise two territories of eastern Ukraine as independentwww.theguardian.com
Thinly veiled, 'please don't release that video of me getting pissed on by a prostitute' plea.
clint van damme
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Good old Liz!
Ian1779
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Thick as pork mince.
clint van damme
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Just checking in on this one
Russian stocks down 28%
Russian central bank intervening to stop ruble from sliding
European stocks down as much as 6%
Dow set to fall 800 points at the open
Starting to wonder if your grand plan of ‘Let Russia invade and ban Ukraine from NATO’ wasn’t quite the political genius move you thought
skybluetony176
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The ironically named James Cleverly was on Peston last night trying to make the UK’s pitiful sanctions look tough by bragging that we’ve sanctioned Putins judo partner. It’s more the fact that we haven’t sanctioned Boris’ tennis partners husband that’s the problem.
Sky Blue Pete
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That’s the fear isn’t it? With bullies you appeal to their goodness and then when that doesn’t work you hit them with overwhelming force. I think we are at the overwhelming force point
David O'Day
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Latvia et al are actually in NATO though and thus NATO would have to be the terms of the treaty actually defend them
duffer
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No one, other than Putin, wants war in Ukraine. Describing it as you do elsewhere, as a 'little wander', is frankly ridiculous.
Ukraine has only ever wanted peaceful co-existence with Russia, and a right to democracy and self-determination.
It gave up its nuclear weapons when Russia pledged to "respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine".
Ukraine got a signed commitment in 1994 to ensure its security – but can the US and allies stop Putin’s aggression now?
As Russia threatens to invade Ukraine, Ukrainians wonder about the worth of a 1994 agreement signed by Russia, the US and the UK, who promised to protect the newly independent state’s sovereignty.
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Initially, Ukraine wanted to be a neutral state, aligned with neither Moscow nor NATO, but under threat from Russia (not least with the annexation of Crimea), it has pivoted more towards the West in hope of protection.
Putin is a lot like Johnson. He cares only for power and prestige. This war isn't about him feeling threatened by NATO, he knows the west has no interest in war with Russia. It's about him retaining power in his own country by asserting its military prestige and pulling the old Soviet union back together. Legal agreements, rules, and treaties, are for other people; for him, might makes right.
So it's unfortunate that we've got the worst government in living memory at the helm right now. Anyone who thinks Russian money isn't influencing the Tory party must have their head in a bucket.
Revealed: Russian donors have stepped up Tory funding
As Johnson accused of ‘cover-up’ over Kremlin interference, major new Russian donations to Conservatives revealed – despite previous Tory pledge to distance themselves from Russian money.
www.opendemocracy.net
Intelligence and Security Committee Russia report - Wikipedia
The only language Putin understands is strength. The way to minimise the loss of life here, to both ordinary Russians and Ukrainian men, women, and children, is to stand against him as firmly as possible. Trivial sanctions won't make any difference, the approach needs to be united, global, and it's got to hurt.
Bluntly, the Tories under Johnson, don't want to upset their Russian paymasters too much. We've seen that already. They're going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming towards proper, robust, sanctions of the sort Europe are already putting in place.
Do I want a war? Hell no. The way to stop it going any further though, is for Europe and the west to stand firm, right now, and support a democratic European country of 44 million people that wants nothing more than the right to exist on its own terms.
No one, other than Putin, wants war in Ukraine. Describing it as you do elsewhere, as a 'little wander', is frankly ridiculous.
Ukraine has only ever wanted peaceful co-existence with Russia, and a right to democracy and self-determination.
It gave up its nuclear weapons when Russia pledged to "respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine".
Ukraine got a signed commitment in 1994 to ensure its security – but can the US and allies stop Putin’s aggression now?
As Russia threatens to invade Ukraine, Ukrainians wonder about the worth of a 1994 agreement signed by Russia, the US and the UK, who promised to protect the newly independent state’s sovereignty.
Initially, Ukraine wanted to be a neutral state, aligned with neither Moscow nor NATO, but under threat from Russia (not least with the annexation of Crimea), it has pivoted more towards the West in hope of protection.
Putin is a lot like Johnson. He cares only for power and prestige. This war isn't about him feeling threatened by NATO, he knows the west has no interest in war with Russia. It's about him retaining power in his own country by asserting its military prestige and pulling the old Soviet union back together. Legal agreements, rules, and treaties, are for other people; for him, might makes right.
So it's unfortunate that we've got the worst government in living memory at the helm right now. Anyone who thinks Russian money isn't influencing the Tory party must have their head in a bucket.
Revealed: Russian donors have stepped up Tory funding
As Johnson accused of ‘cover-up’ over Kremlin interference, major new Russian donations to Conservatives revealed – despite previous Tory pledge to distance themselves from Russian money.
Intelligence and Security Committee Russia report - Wikipedia
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The only language Putin understands is strength. The way to minimise the loss of life here, to both ordinary Russians and Ukrainian men, women, and children, is to stand against him as firmly as possible. Trivial sanctions won't make any difference, the approach needs to be united, global, and it's got to hurt.
Bluntly, the Tories under Johnson, don't want to upset their Russian paymasters too much. We've seen that already. They're going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming towards proper, robust, sanctions of the sort Europe are already putting in place.
Do I want a war? Hell no. The way to stop it going any further though, is for Europe and the west to stand firm, right now, and support a democratic European country of 44 million people that wants nothing more than the right to exist on its own terms.
I agree with a lot of this. We’ll see what sanctions are delivered today, there’s no reason or justification to hold back now so only time will tell what influence Russians have over the government - I’d personally like to think not as much as is being made out
As mentioned on the other thread I’m really not sure what sanctions will do currently though, although they might have an impact longer term. He’s lost it…but in a calculated way
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I never thought I'd see Grendel and Jeremy Corbyn on the same side...
skybluetony176
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They do say that if you go far enough right you’ll unite with far left and viceversa.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Can't do two reactions cos wanted to give it a
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Sky Blue Pete
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Some good apologetics from Nigel and victim blaming. He’s such a knob
skybluetony176
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duffer
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Funny isn't it. These ultra-right Brexit loons, who wrap themselves in the flag and accuse anyone to the left of Attila the Hun of hating the country, have actually been doing Russia's dirty work for them all along...
Sky Blue Pete
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I don’t get why he doesn’t hide his head in shame
clint van damme
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He's an asset with a job to do!