clint van damme
Well-Known Member
I think the tories took Hartlepool because of the work of the mayor up there, but then again, doubtful a Labour mayor would have received the backing of Westminster in terms of finances?
What can the mayor actually do? Here it seems to be mostly pretty drawings of transport or plans or demanding things that have already been planned like the demolition of Barracks car park.
Do all mayors have the same power because London and Manchester seem to actually do stuff and the rest not so much.
Seems to be a lot of people pointing to this article but isn't it just a long winded version of the much criticised 'voters are stupid'?
It basically says those that have voted Conservative have fallen for a load of BS and if Labour just wait long enough they'll realise their mistake and return to Labour.
Labour can't go on just pointing and laughing at clips of people giving dumb reasons for not voting for them. Pretty clear this is a significant chunk of the electorate so they have to work out what they can do about it above just labelling them idiots. We know the media aren't going to help them get their message across, if anything it will be the opposite, and people ignore anything on social media that doesn't line up with their beliefs so how do Labour resolve this?
I think the tories took Hartlepool because of the work of the mayor up there, but then again, doubtful a Labour mayor would have received the backing of Westminster in terms of finances?
Guess you can't choose your familyBen Houchen.....Nephew of Keith according to wiki.
....As you were.
Point of order, not being proud of your country doesn't mean you hate it.Interesting but not surprising, we've become America
also falls in line with what people say about many on the left hating their country ... not a dig but an observation proving to be correct View attachment 20045
Point of order, not being proud of your country doesn't mean you hate it.
It's patently true though.Some would believe that , many don't
If the opposition wasn't so shite then maybe the UK wouldn't be a 'one party state'
To me he seems very much in the Boris say what people want to hear category. When he was campaigning round here he went to the HS2 site by the uni, where there is a decent sized protest about cutting down ancient tress, protecting the countryside etc and spoke about how much he in favour of HS2 he was.Andy Street has seemed a bit Boris-like in his love of big projects while ignoring some of the smaller stuff.
Point of order, not being proud of your country doesn't mean you hate it.
Yep, totally incompetent labour party = massive tory majority.To me he seems very much in the Boris say what people want to hear category. When he was campaigning round here he went to the HS2 site by the uni, where there is a decent sized protest about cutting down ancient tress, protecting the countryside etc and spoke about how much he in favour of HS2 he was.
He then went to the Kings Hill development site and spoke about how concerned he was about local infrastructure not being able to cope with a few extra houses.
Few minutes later he was at the airport talking about shutting it down and building a massive factory on the site
As far as I can tell he's achieved very little in his first term and his manifesto was pretty much the same things he promised last time and didn't deliver.
But he was up against a Labour candidate who didn't seem to even bother campaigning and when I googled him to see who Labour had actually put forward the results weren't inspiring. Like they went out of their way to pick someone who wouldn't win.
It's patently true though.
I'm not necessarily proud of it atm. I'm ashamed we're making ourselves insular, less global in outlook, I'm certainly not proud that traditional British values, for me, of tolerance, acceptance, and co-operation become less and less significant.
I was proud of us under Blair, and hosting the 2012 Olympics, and showing ourselves as positive, and looking outwards. Of course, Iraq didn't make me proud... The actions atm do not make me proud, that does not mean that there aren't things that I'm proud of, but given the question is about pride most of the time, it's a reactive question to events.
I suspect give me a more left leaning government, I would be more proud of this country. Does that mean I hate it? No, it's my home, it's where I come from. It's my... land. I also suspect that give us a more left leaning government, and some of those righties would *not* be as proud of this country as they are now, as values *they* see as important would end up marginalised.
They just want to look cool and get a few likes on twitter by saying how bad Boris or the tories are.....when thankfully in the real world things couldn't be more differentHere's a question .
Has a conservative government ever done anything that you think is good or is it quite literally a situation where no matter what you just despise them .
I struggle with the idea that you shouldn't vote for a particular party no matter what .
I did vote Labour again , but if the tories did absolutely nothing good at all , then surely everybody would want them out .
As it stands they are one of the most successful political parties in the democratic world in terms of elections won .
It doesn't add up .
I'd appreciate your thoughts on it
Bullshit the policies are awful thats why people don't vote for them
They just want to look cool and get a few likes on twitter by saying how bad Boris or the tories are.....when thankfully in the real world things couldn't be more different
Exactly this. Two different things.
And the ones who claim to be most proud of their country continually vote to make it worse
Here's a question .
Has a conservative government ever done anything that you think is good or is it quite literally a situation where no matter what you just despise them .
I struggle with the idea that you shouldn't vote for a particular party no matter what .
I did vote Labour again , but if the tories did absolutely nothing good at all , then surely everybody would want them out .
As it stands they are one of the most successful political parties in the democratic world in terms of elections won .
It doesn't add up .
I'd appreciate your thoughts on it
Not everything can be bad , it's impossible
There is no answerNo seriously I'm interested in the answer
Well they have voted for the final nail in its coffin after this Britain hater voted to keep it intact
Yes.Has a conservative government ever done anything that you think is good
A lot of that are left leaning policies, too - furlough especially.From the last decade they get credit from me for
1. Passing gay marriage though with a big nudge from the Lib Dems
2. Raising the minimum wage, though not by enough
3. Furlough, though again this could have reached more people
4. Buying up vaccines before anyone else
The rest I am struggling
Yes.
Well Ted Heath took us into the EEC, for one.Elaborate please mate
Alright then, why aren't they in power with a majority?Absolute bollocks as always.
edit: I see you've deleted it.
Didnt Tony Blair win 3 general elections for Labour? That was during a pretty bleak time for the tory party, but I guess they learnt some lessons and bounced back. Every dog has its day though, the question is, can Labour learn from its mistakes and re invent itself as the party of the working people (not just the working class) and mount a challenge in the future?Here's a question .
Has a conservative government ever done anything that you think is good or is it quite literally a situation where no matter what you just despise them .
I struggle with the idea that you shouldn't vote for a particular party no matter what .
I did vote Labour again , but if the tories did absolutely nothing good at all , then surely everybody would want them out .
As it stands they are one of the most successful political parties in the democratic world in terms of elections won .
It doesn't add up .
I'd appreciate your thoughts on it
Not everything can be bad , it's impossible
To be fair the Scottish nationalists were pushing for referendums Irrespective.
Labour tories , brexit or not ...they still would be .
They'd find another excuse
A lot of that are left leaning policies, too - furlough especially.
Indeed, and at the time the Tories were under threat from the Liberals of becoming the third party.Didnt Tony Blair win 3 general elections for Labour? That was during a pretty bleak time for the tory party, but I guess they learnt some lessons and bounced back. Every dog has its day though, the question is, can Labour learn from its mistakes and re invent itself as the party of the working people (not just the working class) and mount a challenge in the future?
Brexit has made a lot more Scots and NI reconsider whereas if it hadn’t happened the Union would be much more stable. Don’t know about you but for me the Union trumps flipping off Europe
Scots so against leaving the EU, yet happy to leave the UK ..
Now they are more confused than both brexiteers and remainers combined aren't they ?
The economic catastrophe people think brexit is doing would have nothing on that
The effect on Northern Ireland is surely impossible to ignore? My point was Brexit has pushed both countries closer to leaving and you can’t really deny that.
Scottish people voting to stay in the EU when they wouldn't meet any of the entry criteria if they became independent is crazy.Scots so against leaving the EU, yet happy to leave the UK ..
Now they are more confused than both brexiteers and remainers combined aren't they ?
The economic damage people think brexit is doing would have nothing on that
Alright then, why aren't they in power with a majority?
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