Southport Stabbing (5 Viewers)

[PVA]

We're they abused on account of their religion or race?

If they were abused because of their religion - then it's not racial.

If they were of another race, and the abuse was regarding races THEN it is racial.

It's not hard.

I'm sure someone on the receiving end of such hateful abuse will be comforted by these semantics.

Honestly.

Racism or Islamaphobia, whatever you want to call it I don't know why there are so many people on here trying to justify and excuse it. Fuck this

 

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[Otis]

what's boiling my piss is no picture of this c##t and the media are doing there best to smooth things over, when in reality we should be hitting the streets and driving home our feeling toward migrants and the government, this cannot go on

I don't know where to even start with this.

I had a mini stroke last year and three ops this year. Pretty much everyone I came into contact with, within the NHS was a "migrant." From doctors to nurses, to OH, to porters.

They were all brilliant and all very lovely.

Both my father and mother had carers, about 85% of which, were African. Again, pretty much all really helpful and very kind.

But you want us to hit the streets and drive home our feeling towards migrants?

Do I need to go out with a big foam hand and wave a little flag?

Again, it's this huge, whopping, big generalisation isn't it.

You against all migrants?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I don't know where to even start with this.

I had a mini stroke last year and three ops this year. Pretty much everyone I came into contact with, within the NHS was a "migrant." From doctors to nurses, to OH, to porters.

They were all brilliant and all very lovely.

Both my father and mother had carers, about 85% of which, were African. Again, pretty much all really helpful and very kind.

But you want us to hit the streets and drive home our feeling towards migrants?

Do I need to go out with a big foam hand and wave a little flag?

Again, it's this huge, whopping, big generalisation isn't it.

You against all migrants?

It also includes some of our friends, better halves, work colleagues.

And then wonder why the words racist c**t are used a lot. There's an easy way to stop being called racist, and that's not be racist!

 

[sylus]

live and let live hey. you are all brainwashed

 

[torchomatic]

I don't know where to even start with this.

I had a mini stroke last year and three ops this year. Pretty much everyone I came into contact with, within the NHS was a "migrant." From doctors to nurses, to OH, to porters.

They were all brilliant and all very lovely.

Both my father and mother had carers, about 85% of which, were African. Again, pretty much all really helpful and very kind.

But you want us to hit the streets and drive home our feeling towards migrants?

Do I need to go out with a big foam hand and wave a little flag?

Again, it's this huge, whopping, big generalisation isn't it.

You against all migrants?

Glad you're on the mend, Otis.

Same story when I had my bone marrow transplant. My two consultants were from Greece as were their deputies, the majority of the nurses who looked after me and literally cleaned up my vomit and shit were from India, the Philippines, Africa.

I wouldn't be here without them and nor would tens of thousands of other people in the UK.

Some attitudes are sickening.

 

[Otis]

live and let live hey. you are all brainwashed

So these doctors and nurses WEREN'T kind and considerate and brilliant at their job?

Okay.

 

[Nick]

Again it's the middle ground thing. If somebody says it is ALL immigrants then they are clearly a c**t.

People can still say there are issues with some parts of it but that other immigrants are great.

It's why stuff will never, ever be discussed sensibly.

 

[Otis]

Again it's the middle ground thing. If somebody says it is ALL immigrants then they are clearly a c**t.

People can still say there are issues with some parts of it but that other immigrants are great.

It's why stuff will never, ever be discussed sensibly.

Well, yesterday we had "Muslims do this and do that" (not some Muslims, or a few Muslims etc) and now we need to go out on to the streets to let migrants know what we think of them (again, a global term, migrants)

If people don't mean these things, don't say them.

Saying, as an example, "I know of some Gypsies who have been dishonest and ripped me off", is completely different from saying "Gypsies are dishonest."

Saying "some women are right slags," is completely different from saying "women are right slags."

It's easy enough and absolutely nowhere near being any form of rocket science.

 

[sylus]

Again it's the middle ground thing. If somebody says it is ALL immigrants then they are clearly a c**t.

People can still say there are issues with some parts of it but that other immigrants are great.

It's why stuff will never, ever be discussed sensibly.

all the problems in this country are migrant related, has been for years

 

[Nick]

all the problems in this country are migrant related, has been for years

That's not correct though is it?

Of course there are problems because of it but all the problems? There are benefits to immigration done right and negatives when it's done wrong.

This is where people really need to be specific or constructive.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

all the problems in this country are migrant related, has been for years

Yes we would be perfect without them right

 

[David O'Day]

all the problems in this country are migrant related, has been for years

Ok, I wasn't going to get involved but this a wild take

 

[torchomatic]

This thread has really smoked them out, hasn't it?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

This thread has really smoked them out, hasn't it?

Emboldened.

 

[David O'Day]

This thread has really smoked them out, hasn't it?

I haven't followed it massively as frankly reading about is a fucking gut punch ach and every time but the kid is from Cardiff right? So why the take about immigrants?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I haven't followed it massively as frankly reading about is a fucking gut punch ach and every time but the kid is from Cardiff right? So why the take about immigrants?

Child of immigrants is fair game now

 

[Otis]

all the problems in this country are migrant related, has been for years

Jimmy Savile? Stuart Hall? Harold Shipman? The Yorkshire Ripper? Fred and Rose West?

There are plenty of gangs and drug running gangs, that are not migrant and were born and bred right here in the UK.

 

[Macca]

what's boiling my piss is no picture of this c##t and the media are doing there best to smooth things over, when in reality we should be hitting the streets and driving home our feeling toward migrants and the government, this cannot go on

Whatever genuine concerns we may have about immigration this is a UK citizen born and bred who happens to have black skin. The horrific person he has turned into has been moulded in this country

 

[Liquid Gold]

what's boiling my piss is no picture of this c##t and the media are doing there best to smooth things over, when in reality we should be hitting the streets and driving home our feeling toward migrants and the government, this cannot go on

Do we have to report this one for it to be dealt with or is vigilante justice against minorities something that's ok?

 

[torchomatic]

Jimmy Savile? Stuart Hall? Harold Shipman? The Yorkshire Ripper? Fred and Rose West?

There are plenty of gangs and drug running gangs, that are not migrant and were born and bred right here in the UK.

All immigrants*


*Probably. Maybe.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Jimmy Savile? Stuart Hall? Harold Shipman? The Yorkshire Ripper? Fred and Rose West?

There are plenty of gangs and drug running gangs, that are not migrant and we're born and bred right here in the UK.

I don't understand, genuinely, why this thread has progressed beyond bad people are bad people, what a bastard thing to do, the poor parents and children etc.

 

[torchomatic]

Do we have to report this one for it to be dealt with or is vigilante justice against minorities something that's ok?

Despite replying I would imagine Nick hasn't seen it.

 

[Nick]

Think they are naming some of the victims, it's even worse seeing innocent young kids in happy pictures

 

[David O'Day]

Child of immigrants is fair game now

This opens up the racial element though, i'm the product of immigration but i'm white so strangely no one asks me to go home.

In the end it's just morally wrong to use 3 dead kids to forward your politic views be they left or right wing.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

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Fair play to the guy and hero status definitely applies - he likely saved countless others.

I'd happily sign a petition to award him the George Cross.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Despite replying I would imagine Nick hasn't seen it.

Like letting Arsene Wenger moderate Arsenal’s bookings.

 

[Nick]

Despite replying I would imagine Nick hasn't seen it.

Its ok I'm sure you will get a few back pats and some likes even though you can see I have already replied and called it out.

You will just go back to the politics thread where you just stereotype people and tar them all with the same brush if they have different political views to you.

 

[fatso]

I don't know where to even start with this.

I had a mini stroke last year and three ops this year. Pretty much everyone I came into contact with, within the NHS was a "migrant." From doctors to nurses, to OH, to porters.

They were all brilliant and all very lovely.

Both my father and mother had carers, about 85% of which, were African. Again, pretty much all really helpful and very kind.

But you want us to hit the streets and drive home our feeling towards migrants?

Do I need to go out with a big foam hand and wave a little flag?

Again, it's this huge, whopping, big generalisation isn't it.

You against all migrants?

I don't think anyone is against all migrants, or all Muslims for that matter.
The vast majority of both are decent hard working members of society.

However, there is undoubtedly a small minority who are like the "hate preacher" Abu Hamzer who seek to radicalise young men to carry out acts of terror.
It's these people who need to be caught and removed from our streets.

Unfortunately though, anyone who dares to speak out gets called racist or a bigot by people who some how think the comments made are aimed at ALL immigrants.

Let me make it perfectly clear, any one who lives in peace and works for their living and contributes to society is IMHO welcome.

But if they hate the west, and want to bomb people at concerts, attack our soldiers, rape our women, groom our teenagers, or stab our children to death then they need to be permanently removed from society by any means possible.

 

[torchomatic]

I'd happily sign a petition to award him the George Cross.

Yep, incredibly brave.

 

[torchomatic]

Its ok I'm sure you will get a few back pats and some likes even though you can see I have already replied and called it out.

You will just go back to the politics thread where you just stereotype people and tar them all with the same brush if they have different political views to you.

Schools too, right?

 

[Nick]

I'd happily sign a petition to award him the George Cross.

There's another guy who is injured too. Brave men.

 

[Nick]

Schools too, right?

Whatever it is that day.

Maybe you can get a little gang to say things so you can all like it?

Cute.

 

[torchomatic]

Whatever it is that day.

Maybe you can get a little gang to say things so you can all like it?

Cute.

I didn't know I had a gang. Cool.

 

[Nick]

I don't think anyone is against all migrants, or all Muslims for that matter.
The vast majority of both are decent hard working members of society.

However, there is undoubtedly a small minority who are like the "hate preacher" Abu Hamzer who seek to radicalise young men to carry out acts of terror.
It's these people who need to be caught and removed from our streets.

Unfortunately though, anyone who dares to speak out gets called racist or a bigot by people who some how think the comments made are aimed at ALL immigrants.

Let me make it perfectly clear, any one who lives in peace and works for their living and contributes to society is IMHO welcome.

But if they hate the west, and want to bomb people at concerts, attack our soldiers, rape our women, groom our teenagers, or stab our children to death then they need to be permanently removed from society by any means possible.

Again. This is where people need to specify it and be constructive then dont they?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

don't think anyone is against all migrants, or all Muslims for that matter.
The vast majority of both are decent hard working members of society.

However, there is undoubtedly a small minority who are like the "hate preacher" Abu Hamzer who seek to radicalise young men to carry out acts of terror.
It's these people who need to be caught and removed from our streets.

Nobody disagrees with this apart from your first sentence.

Going on the streets to protest about migrants because of this event, lumping Muslims together in a block and suggesting they play the victim, wishing death on all Palestinians... they're fine examples of notalright.