The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (201 Viewers)

martcov · Jun 30, 2018

Astute said:
Yet you choose to ignore the remain lies. Just a one sided debate to you. In fact not a debate. Just a one sided argument with no decent points from you being put forward

Remain lost and in general they exaggerated predictions as opposed to telling downright lies.

If remain had won you could claim our destiny was influenced by predictions which didn’t happen. As it is we’re leaving and the decision was manipulated by deliberate lies. This has been admitted by the people who lied. Despite pushing economic arguments, the same people are now saying Brexit was never about economics.

If you can see that and not feel cheated, then you are better than I am. I am repulsed by these people.

As regards decent points, if you had any you wouldn’t keep on about one man like a broken down record.

martcov · Jun 30, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Well she only has to ask me & I will tell her the same I have told you.

Thing is - what I voted for as an individual matters not because the majority thought differently. Her job is to get on & deliver what the majority want

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What do they want? She cannot even get her cabinet to put forward a unified plan. So how the hell do you know what the majority of 17,4 million voters wanted? - apart from wanting out, nobody knows how we are leaving 2 years after the event.

Pathetic.

martcov · Jun 30, 2018

Astute said:
You love Juncker so much that I thought you would pay tax into one of his schemes in Luxembourg.

I am not interested in Juncker.

martcov · Jun 30, 2018

Astute said:
Just the same as AfD isn't a problem in Germany but Farage is a massive problem in the UK. He has lost touch with reality.

You just say things. Any relation to Donald Trump?

Farage is a well know Brexit figure sometimes referred to as Mr Brexit. He led UKIP and claims UKIP forced the referendum. UKIP was a problem for Cameron. Now Farage is a pundit and a Talkshow host which allows him to continue to spread his BS.

AfD is in a similar position to UKIP once was. They influence other right wing parties just by being there.

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
So the EU is going to take away your rights Mart. Not the UK!!! The change to your citizenship is being requested by 1 peron - YOU. Why? Because you want your bread buttered both sides. You could have simply waited to see how things pan out as there seems to be this retaining an EU passport option...but you want to be German instead. Which is fine...the rest of us seem happy & proud to be British

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The UK is the country which enacted the change in the relationship and the rights of its citizens, not the EU.

Someone can be proud to be British and have dual natonality of another country, to claim otherwise is narrow minded bollocks.

Grendel · Jun 30, 2018

Astute said:
Why isn't the debate about Juncker? Is it because he is too hard to defend? Why can't we look into what he set up? Those who use the services he set up are called criminals by you. What does that make him?

It is him that caused all this bullshit. It is him that is continuing with all this bullshit. Yet you say it is nothing to do with him.

It’s not about him because Mart doesn’t want it to be. He wants to play be eu rules and like his Eu bully boys gets rather upset when he can’t set an agenda and someone has a view different to him

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2018

Grendel said:
It’s not about him because Mart doesn’t want it to be. He wants to play be eu rules and like his Eu bully boys gets rather upset when he can’t set an agenda and someone has a view different to him

A bit like 'Leavers' then as well?

martcov · Jun 30, 2018

Grendel said:
It’s not about him because Mart doesn’t want it to be. He wants to play be eu rules and like his Eu bully boys gets rather upset when he can’t set an agenda and someone has a view different to him

I want to see that you understand what sort of people and what sort of motives were behind the leave campaign which took place in the UK. Tusk and Juncker are not relevant in this conversation. The problem for you and Astute is that if we don’t talk about Tusk or Juncker you’ve had it.

Grendel · Jun 30, 2018

martcov said:
We are talking about Britain: EU in or out. Not Poland. At least not directly. The point I was making about British based liars and crooks has nothing to do with Polish workers. Grendel always brings his pet Tusk into the conversation when I criticise dodgy goings on in the leave camp.why? Why doesn’t he admit that there were dodgy goings on?

When you say dodgy goings you then follow up by claiming millions were duped into voting the wrong way that’s why

You ignore the identical tactics played out on the remain side as well. The fear, the leaflet and the lies.

The funny thing is you mention fringe players like Ashcroft and banks but fail to see the irony.

Two of the most repulsive vile creatures ever to enter British politics were at the front of the remain bus. Anthony Lyndon Blair and the dishonourable Nicholas Clegg. The sight of those two - with more than enough Billy Bullshit whoppers to fill a double decker on their own - is enough to make many get off at the next stop alone.

I mention Tusk as I dont want to be on his bus either thanks. I certainly would want Junker taking my bill of travel as I’m not sure where it would go. I don’t want that gruesome pair having any influence on my life at all.

So I’m off the bus along with most of the uk and I’m not getting back on

Grendel · Jun 30, 2018

Sick Boy said:
A bit like 'Leavers' then as well?

No as I’m talking about the Brussels hearchy who immediately bully and intimidate any one with free will who dares to have a view different from Central Office. You’ll see that first hand as Italy are heading for a visit soon from the Gestapo.

Astute · Jun 30, 2018

martcov said:
Yes. Astute’s deflecting crap doesn’t alter anything. His favourite deflection tactic is to mention Juncker and Grendel“s is Tusk. Doesn’t matter what I say, I always get the same crap ...“what about Juncker?“ or „look at what Tusk did there“. Hilarious indeed.

If only you had a point to make.

So I am deflecting? Just remember that you have done nothing but deflect. Someone constantly asking you the same questions because your story would fall to bits if you did answer isn't deflection.

Deflection is aiming at the bloke at the bottom because he has a different view to yourself but constantly defending the one at the top.

If it was drugs we were on about and not tax dodging Juncker would be the one taking it from the growers and exporting it to us. The one selling it by the ton. The one that makes it all happen. The ones you want to hang are the dealers at the end of the chain that live off the scraps. But you want the shark at the top who causes all the misery to not even get questioned. You come out with any old crap as a reason why he hasn't done anything wrong. Your excuse would be that he hasn't injected anyone so he isn't guilty.

You say we are leaving. So there is just the 27 of you left for solidarity. You got asked about the Polish. Yet you say you don't care about them. You blame Farage for everything. Yet the AfD is supposedly nothing.

Germany's population has stayed steady all the way through the population boom because of lower birth rate you say. Ours has exploded without even counting one birth. That is nothing you say. So how come the German population has stayed so steady when millions aim to live there? Because Juncker changes the rules for Germany. Just like a couple of days ago. Because he knows Merkel wouldn't survive if the same happens in Germany to here. Yes they took on 1m in one go. But since then? Isn't it strange that they are the strongest economy where most want to live but they don't end up in Germany. You keep telling us how weak we are but we get the population explosion.

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2018

Grendel said:
So I’m off the bus along with most of the uk and I’m not getting back on

If anything, Brexit has probably ensured that the UK has one of the most passionate pro-EU populations.

Astute · Jun 30, 2018

martcov said:
You are nuts. You bet that I use the NHS so that is now fact? I have private health insurance and I am healthy anyway. I haven’t been to a doctor in the UK ( apart from A and E for my daughter who is also insured ) for more than 30 years. Or maybe 40.. I can’t remember it’s so long ago.

Slating a potential calamity for Britain and the dodgy people involved at the top is sticking with Britain. A patriotic duty if you like.

That is good. Because you would struggle to get seen in some areas because of our population boom. And yes I also have private medical care. And I live in the UK.

Astute · Jun 30, 2018

martcov said:
Yes it will and hopefully we ( not me as I am not allowed to vote ) will get a chance to either agree or not agree with what the government finally comes up with as an agreement. If they cannot agree with the EU, then we should be asked if we still want to go ahead with Brexit, or bin it as a bad idea.

By then we will know what Brexit actually is.

So by then we will know what Juncker and Barnier want?

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2018

Grendel said:
No as I’m talking about the Brussels hearchy who immediately bully and intimidate any one with free will who dares to have a view different from Central Office. You’ll see that first hand as Italy are heading for a visit soon from the Gestapo.

A bit like Farage describing Leave voters as 'honest and decent people' and the Mail talking about 'crushing' those with an opposing view?

Astute · Jun 30, 2018

martcov said:
Remain lost and in general they exaggerated predictions as opposed to telling downright lies.

Remain = exaggerated predictions
Leave = lies

Yeah OK.

Grendel · Jun 30, 2018

Sick Boy said:
If anything, Brexit has probably ensured that the UK has one of the most passionate pro-EU populations.

Evidence?

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2018

Astute said:
That is good. Because you would struggle to get seen in some areas because of our population boom. And yes I also have private medical care. And I live in the UK.

I live in an area that has a lot of inward UK and international migration with a very high population for the size of the city and I can get seen on the same day.

Grendel · Jun 30, 2018

Sick Boy said:
A bit like Farage describing Leave voters as 'honest and decent people' and the Mail talking about 'crushing' those with an opposing view?

Farage and the mail aren’t the government or have authority

Italians are lazy people anyway so hope you have a good time there

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2018

Grendel said:
Evidence?

100,000s of people marching in London? Those who support the EU are arguably more passionate than those in other EU countries. I'm not ignoring the fact that most were apathetic before and the Remain campaign was a disaster.

Astute · Jun 30, 2018

martcov said:
What do they want? She cannot even get her cabinet to put forward a unified plan. So how the hell do you know what the majority of 17,4 million voters wanted? - apart from wanting out, nobody knows how we are leaving 2 years after the event.

Pathetic.

And why is that?

The EU says come out with a plan but we won't tell you what we will accept. But when you come out with a plan we will tell you no.

But you can keep the bad parts but none of the good ones. That way we might get you to stay.

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2018

Grendel said:
Farage and the mail aren’t the government or have authority

Italians are lazy people anyway so hope you have a good time there

Hahaha what utter narrow minded bollocks.

Astute · Jun 30, 2018

Sick Boy said:
If anything, Brexit has probably ensured that the UK has one of the most passionate pro-EU populations.

No it hasn't. The way it has gone and the way the EU has shown itself to be has made many remainders want out.

Look at the BBC website. It used to be fully remain. Nearly all the comments were on the side of remain. Most of the stories are on the side of remain. Not bad for what is supposedly an unbiased site. Now look at the comments from readers. They have seen through the lies. The EU and the way they have tried to play us has caused anti EU feeling. It is shocking.

Astute · Jun 30, 2018

Sick Boy said:
I live in an area that has a lot of inward UK and international migration with a very high population for the size of the city and I can get seen on the same day.

So that means the NHS is doing well everywhere?

Getting seen straight away and getting seen the same day are not the same thing. Then you have appointment times for further treatment. They have grown.

So what is your POV on people being stranded in Italy and the EU wanting them to stay there?

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2018

Astute said:
No it hasn't. The way it has gone and the way the EU has shown itself to be has made many remainders want out.

Look at the BBC website. It used to be fully remain. Nearly all the comments were on the side of remain. Most of the stories are on the side of remain. Not bad for what is supposedly an unbiased site. Now look at the comments from readers. They have seen through the lies. The EU and the way they have tried to play us has caused anti EU feeling. It is shocking.

There is no evidence at all that the country is even more behind Leaving, and you know it. There is little surprise as to how 'negotiations' had gone, plenty on here said that the UK was over playing its hand and that it had little leverage in the negotiations.

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2018

Astute said:
So that means the NHS is doing well everywhere?

Of course not but it's due to a lack of funds being invested. I'm sure you're about to start scapegoating tax paying migrants again as the Tories want you to.

martcov · Jun 30, 2018

Grendel said:
When you say dodgy goings you then follow up by claiming millions were duped into voting the wrong way that’s why

You ignore the identical tactics played out on the remain side as well. The fear, the leaflet and the lies.

The funny thing is you mention fringe players like Ashcroft and banks but fail to see the irony.

Two of the most repulsive vile creatures ever to enter British politics were at the front of the remain bus. Anthony Lyndon Blair and the dishonourable Nicholas Clegg. The sight of those two - with more than enough Billy Bullshit whoppers to fill a double decker on their own - is enough to make many get off at the next stop alone.

I mention Tusk as I dont want to be on his bus either thanks. I certainly would want Junker taking my bill of travel as I’m not sure where it would go. I don’t want that gruesome pair having any influence on my life at all.

So I’m off the bus along with most of the uk and I’m not getting back on

What a stupid thing to say. You are leaving because of 2 individuals who have been elected or chosen by an electoral college for a small number of years in an organisation / trading bloc of 500 million people. You don’t like them, but most of the EU is not bothered about them. Juncker has had opposition and will not be standing again anyway. By the time the UK finally leaves, Juncker will have left or be in the process of leaving. As will Tusk.

martcov · Jun 30, 2018

Grendel said:
No as I’m talking about the Brussels hearchy who immediately bully and intimidate any one with free will who dares to have a view different from Central Office. You’ll see that first hand as Italy are heading for a visit soon from the Gestapo.

Jesus wept... pathetic.

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2018

Astute said:
So that means the NHS is doing well everywhere?

Getting seen straight away and getting seen the same day are not the same thing. Then you have appointment times for further treatment. They have grown.

So what is your POV on people being stranded in Italy and the EU wanting them to stay there?

I've already said several times that countries like Germany, France and Britain should take in their share.

Astute · Jun 30, 2018

Sick Boy said:
There is no evidence at all that the country is even more behind Leaving, and you know it. There is little surprise as to how 'negotiations' had gone, plenty on here said that the UK was over playing its hand and that it had little leverage in the negotiations.

Go on any website where people are free to express their views. See what people really think about the EU. Even pro EU outlets are the same.

So people are willing to March but not willing to spend a couple of minutes putting their views across?

Those who now want to leave have no reason to March. That will be down to how it all ends up. Maybe then reality will hit home.

Astute · Jun 30, 2018

Sick Boy said:
Of course not but it's due to a lack of funds being invested. I'm sure you're about to start scapegoating tax paying migrants again as the Tories want you to.

Record amounts are going into the NHS. Yet you call it a lack of funds.

SIR ERNIE · Jun 30, 2018

martcov said:
I want to see that you understand what sort of people and what sort of motives were behind the leave campaign which took place in the UK. .

<<I want to see that you understand…>>

What arrogance.

Well here’s a top-of-the-head list of some of the people on the Remain side. Would love to know what sort of motives do you think this dubious shower have mart.

Blair/Campbell/Clegg/Major/Ashdown/the Kinnocks/Christine Lagarde(stuck her nose in and gave us a lecture)/Obama/Eddie Izzard/Just about every multi-millionaire lefty luvvie/Michael OLeary.

…Could be here all day.

You must have loved the eloquent Danny Dyer’s reasoned thoughts on Brexit on Thursday. Suggest you google it.

Astute · Jun 30, 2018

Sick Boy said:
I've already said several times that countries like Germany, France and Britain should take in their share.

Our population has nearly caught up with France and Germany. Take a look at the size of France and Germany against the size of the UK. Then look at the population per square mile of England against Germany and France. So what have we done wrong?

martcov · Jun 30, 2018

Grendel said:
Farage and the mail aren’t the government or have authority

Italians are lazy people anyway so hope you have a good time there

Another racist comment.

Astute · Jun 30, 2018

SIR ERNIE said:
<<I want to see that you understand…>>

What arrogance.

Well here’s a top-of-the-head list of some of the people on the Remain side. Would love to know what sort of motives do you think this dubious shower have mart.

Blair/Campbell/Clegg/Major/Ashdown/the Kinnocks/Christine Lagarde(stuck her nose in and gave us a lecture)/Obama/Eddie Izzard/Just about every multi-millionaire lefty luvvie/Michael OLeary.

…Could be here all day.

You must have loved the eloquent Danny Dyer’s reasoned thoughts on Brexit on Thursday. Suggest you google it.

But he doesn't want to talk about them.

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