The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (57 Viewers)

Evo1883 · Sep 17, 2018

The government must act out the will of the people first before a second referendum is cast .
They havent even done that yet as we haven’t left .

martcov said:
How often and in how many cities was Carney with the public? If you count the majority of the printed media, which is owned by a handful of anti EU non resident billionaires and tax exiles, as on the side of remain, then you are being less than rational. Daily Mail, Telegraph, Sun and Daily Express together the by far most read papers in Britain and with online versions reaching even more... on the side of remain???????? Rofl

For starters people don’t buy papers in anywhere near the numbers that watch the news on the tv , BBC Channel 4 ,5 ITV all remainiacs .
Social media sites like twitter and Facebook both left wing sites helping push liberal agendas .
Leavers have far far less favourable coverage , all the people telling us we are wrong just so happen to have financial interests / pensions etc through the EU .
It’s all nonsense.

Grendel · Sep 17, 2018

martcov said:
How often and in how many cities was Carney with the public? If you count the majority of the printed media, which is owned by a handful of anti EU non resident billionaires and tax exiles, as on the side of remain, then you are being less than rational. Daily Mail, Telegraph, Sun and Daily Express together the by far most read papers in Britain and with online versions reaching even more... on the side of remain???????? Rofl

The BBC has far more weight that the right wing media you delusional clown

martcov · Sep 17, 2018

Grendel said:
48% wasn’t it?

Also it still said a minority wanted to reverse the decision - that’s also true isn’t it?

48% yes. Think it was the wrong decision. It is true that there isnˋt a majority to overturn the result... yet. Some polls show a majority for a second vote or an election. The trend is going for some sort of confirmation or rejection of whatever deal is reached. Not surprising as Brexit is a vague concept which unites people only on leaving, but not on how to leave or to take things forward.

Grendel · Sep 17, 2018

martcov said:
48% yes. Think it was the wrong decision. It is true that there isnˋt a majority to overturn the result... yet. Some polls show a majority for a second vote or an election. The trend is going for some sort of confirmation or rejection of whatever deal is reached. Not surprising as Brexit is a vague concept which unites people only on leaving, but not on how to leave or to take things forward.

No 48% in your previous You Gov poll said they had no interest in Brexit!

There is not one poll that exists that includes the not interested that says there is a majority in favour of a second referendum

Stop lying

Evo1883 · Sep 17, 2018

imagine voting in a general election , not immediately implementing the result then 2 years down the line say we want another one as we don’t think the first will bring us the things we want .

That’s effectively how leave voters feel at the moment .
The whole response from the media , remainers and certain politicians over the last 2 years has been nothing short of disgraceful .
Get it done or face a public uprising .

martcov · Sep 17, 2018

Evo1883 said:
The government must act out the will of the people first before a second referendum is cast .
They havent even done that yet as we haven’t left .

For starters people don’t buy papers in anywhere near the numbers that watch the news on the tv , BBC Channel 4 ,5 ITV all remainiacs .
Social media sites like twitter and Facebook both left wing sites helping push liberal agendas .
Leavers has far far less favourable coverage , all the people telling us we are wrong just so happen to have financial interests / pensions etc through the EU .
It’s all nonsense.

Er no... those telling you are right are hedge fund owners, investors, ex public schoolboys, dodgy businessmen and a certain fag packet fascist disguising himself as an ordinary ‚bloke‘ with a financial interest in Brexit. Are you seriously denying their financial and political motives to make a point about the BBC apparently ( according to you ) having a financial interest in the EU? Social media sites like Twitter and Facebook have massive problems with, above all, right wing propaganda, disinformation, racism, hate posts and incitement to violence through whipping up the users. Farage claims his rise to prominence started in 2008 with YouTube. MSM would have regarded him as a krank and given him no time, but through YouTube he got through to his ‚base‘ and spewed his lies and distortions. The Mail and Express etc tuned into this market. His press agent is ex Daily Express and it is no coincidence that the Express and leave speak with the same voice.

Grendel · Sep 17, 2018

martcov said:
Er no... those telling you are right are hedge fund owners, investors, ex public schoolboys, dodgy businessmen and a certain fag packet fascist disguising himself as an ordinary ‚bloke‘ with a financial interest in Brexit. Are you seriously denying their financial and political motives to make a point about the BBC apparently ( according to you ) having a financial interest in the EU? Social media sites like Twitter and Facebook have massive problems with, above all, right wing propaganda, disinformation, racism, hate posts and incitement to violence through whipping up the users. Farage claims his rise to prominence started in 2008 with YouTube. MSM would have regarded him as a krank and given him no time, but through YouTube he got through to his ‚base‘ and spewed his lies and distortions. The Mail and Express etc tuned into this market. His press agent is ex Daily Express and it is no coincidence that the Express and leave speak with the same voice.

Honestly pal if you believe any of the above you need medical help.

martcov · Sep 17, 2018

Evo1883 said:
imagine voting in a general election , not immediately implementing the result then 2 years down the line say we want another one as we don’t think the first will bring us the things we want .

That’s effectively how leave voters feel at the moment .
The whole response from the media , remainers and certain politicians over the last 2 years has been nothing short of disgraceful .
Get it done or face a public uprising .

We have an elections every few years. Nothing unusual about people changing their minds if dissatisfied with the party in charge. It’s democracy. Wreck the country and expect people to take to the streets. If Brexit puts people out of work, you can expect a massive backlash.

Evo1883 · Sep 17, 2018

martcov said:
Er no... those telling you are right are hedge fund owners, investors, ex public schoolboys, dodgy businessmen and a certain fag packet fascist disguising himself as an ordinary ‚bloke‘ with a financial interest in Brexit. Are you seriously denying their financial and political motives to make a point about the BBC apparently ( according to you ) having a financial interest in the EU? Social media sites like Twitter and Facebook have massive problems with, above all, right wing propaganda, disinformation, racism, hate posts and incitement to violence through whipping up the users. Farage claims his rise to prominence started in 2008 with YouTube. MSM would have regarded him as a krank and given him no time, but through YouTube he got through to his ‚base‘ and spewed his lies and distortions. The Mail and Express etc tuned into this market. His press agent is ex Daily Express and it is no coincidence that the Express and leave speak with the same voice.

Calling Nigel farage a fascist wether you like him or not just shows you have no idea what a fascist is .
More to do with people just fed up with the way things were going and voted for change .
Why is that so hard for remainers to see , people didn’t want more of the same , simple really

Evo1883 · Sep 17, 2018

martcov said:
We have an elections every few years. Nothing unusual about people changing their minds if dissatisfied with the party in charge. It’s democracy. Wreck the country and expect people to take to the streets. If Brexit puts people out of work, you can expect a massive backlash.

Ofcourse you are correct , but the decision is always implemented first and brexit hasn’t been implemented thus far

Grendel · Sep 17, 2018

martcov said:
We have an elections every few years. Nothing unusual about people changing their minds if dissatisfied with the party in charge. It’s democracy. Wreck the country and expect people to take to the streets. If Brexit puts people out of work, you can expect a massive backlash.

It’s happening - you’ve lost - night night loser

martcov · Sep 17, 2018

Grendel said:
Honestly pal if you believe any of the above you need medical help.

Which part isn’t true then? Farage‘s claim about YouTube? Right wingers on Facebook and Twitter?

No mate, you need help if you can’t take the facts that even your boss keeps mentioning. You just sit and deny things.

Grendel · Sep 17, 2018

martcov said:
Which part isn’t true then? Farage‘s claim about YouTube? Right wingers on Facebook and Twitter?

No mate, you need help if you can’t take the facts that even your boss keeps mentioning. You just sit and deny things.

Nurse nurse - the screens, the screens!!!!

Most people who support Brexit are socialist you dribbling lunatic

martcov · Sep 17, 2018

Evo1883 said:
Ofcourse you are correct , but the decision is always implemented first and brexit hasn’t been implemented thus far

Good reason for being well pissed off. I don’t see how they can get anything apart from BINO without wrecking the economy.

martcov · Sep 17, 2018

Grendel said:
Nurse nurse - the screens, the screens!!!!

You are truly nuts.

skybluetony176 · Sep 17, 2018

Evo1883 said:
imagine voting in a general election , not immediately implementing the result then 2 years down the line say we want another one as we don’t think the first will bring us the things we want .

That’s effectively how leave voters feel at the moment .
The whole response from the media , remainers and certain politicians over the last 2 years has been nothing short of disgraceful .
Get it done or face a public uprising .

When was the last time an elected government did what they pledged to do in an election. Plus an election is every 4 years unless a government is dumb enough to call an ill advised early election. If you’re going to compare apples compare them with apples. Unless of course you’re saying that we can have another EU referendum in June 2020 with your blessing.

martcov · Sep 17, 2018

Grendel said:
It’s happening - you’ve lost - night night loser

It may happen. I won’t be losing though. I don’t work in U.K. manufacturing.

Evo1883 · Sep 17, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
When was the last time an elected government did what they pledged to do in an election. Plus an election is every 4 years unless a government is dumb enough to call an ill advised early election. If you’re going to compare apples compare them with apples. Unless of course you’re saying that we can have another EU referendum in June 2020 with your blessing.

I’m all for another referendum , but a good 5-10 years after we have left

Evo1883 · Sep 17, 2018

martcov said:
It may happen. I won’t be losing though. I don’t work in U.K. manufacturing.

German manufacturing has been down for 6 months in a row , just so you know ‍, it’s not all roses in Europe

Grendel · Sep 17, 2018

martcov said:
It may happen. I won’t be losing though. I don’t work in U.K. manufacturing.

Which will not in the end be impacted by Brexit at all - much to your disappointment

Grendel · Sep 17, 2018

Evo1883 said:
I’m all for another referendum , but a good 5-10 years after we have left

Then Europe really would bare its teeth - join the euro or else - but yes let’s give it time and see

Evo1883 · Sep 17, 2018

Grendel said:
Then Europe really would bare its teeth - join the euro or else - but yes let’s give it time and see

I’m merely trying to please , reality is should be 50 years , a good old wait like we just had

martcov · Sep 17, 2018

Evo1883 said:
I’m all for another referendum , but a good 5-10 years after we have left

Yes, you could say let’s give it go and if it doesn’t work out we’ll go back in. But... it may set our economy back years and even if we get back in, it will never be on the same terms as now. We will have lost agencies and parts of the City and our manufacturing industry. That is a big gamble which is more likely to end up with us worse off than better off.

Grendel · Sep 17, 2018

martcov said:
Yes, you could say let’s give it go and if it doesn’t work out we’ll go back in. But... it may set our economy back years and even if we get back in, it will never be on the same terms as now. We will have lost agencies and parts of the City and our manufacturing industry. That is a big gamble which is more likely to end up with us worse off than better off.

What if it makes no impact on the economy Mart and also allows us to exclude from political and fiscal union? What then?

Evo1883 · Sep 17, 2018

The funny thing about all this is , most people who voted to join the EU or the market in the first place are the same people who were the majority to vote us out of it .
It’s almost as if they know a bit more than the 18 -24 year olds who prefer to sit at home playing fortnite in their spare time .
Anyways ... I’m off goodnight

martcov · Sep 17, 2018

Evo1883 said:
I’m merely trying to please , reality is should be 50 years , a good old wait like we just had

The place will be booming in 50 years according to hedge fund grounder and currently part owner Rees Mogg. Although his clients are investing in the EU via his Dublin funds in the meantime.. not much in the U.K.

Grendel · Sep 17, 2018

Evo1883 said:
The funny thing about all this is , most people who voted to join the EU or the market in the first place are the same people who were the majority to vote us out of it .
It’s almost as if they know a bit more than the 18 -24 year olds who prefer to sit at home playing fortnite in their spare time .
Anyways ... I’m off goodnight

Someone on a debate today said older people should be banned from voting. It’s the type of nonsense Hitler and Stalin would lap up

Evo1883 · Sep 17, 2018

Grendel said:
Someone on a debate today said older people should be banned from voting. It’s the type of nonsense Hitler and Stalin would lap up

Doesn’t surprise me with the modern day left .
Gone are the days where being left wing meant fighting the establishment and hating big business .
Seemingly they love that these days

martcov · Sep 17, 2018

Grendel said:
What if it makes no impact on the economy Mart and also allows us to exclude from political and fiscal union? What then?

There isn’t a political union or fiscal union and won’t be one without us giving up veto rights. We are not in the Eurozone or Schengen. So we gain nothing if there is no impact. We have to replace EU bureaucracy with U.K. bureaucracy and border control officers together with buildings, car parks, roads and red tape. If you think ‚no impact‘ is good then why bother? Bendy bananas? We will have Fruit classification anyway. Immigration? We will have migrants if the economy needs them. Just non EU instead of EU. ECJ? We will have some form of court for disputes no matter what trade deals we have. Even WTO, if we allowed the deals we want. I don’t see the point of all the uncertainty and division to get „no impact“.

Grendel · Sep 17, 2018

martcov said:
There isn’t a political union or fiscal union and won’t be one without us giving up veto rights. We are not in the Eurozone or Schengen. So we gain nothing if there is no impact. We have to replace EU bureaucracy with U.K. bureaucracy and border control officers together with buildings, car parks, roads and red tape. If you think ‚no impact‘ is good then why bother? Bendy bananas? We will have Fruit classification anyway. Immigration? We will have migrants if the economy needs them. Just non EU instead of EU. ECJ? We will have some form of court for disputes no matter what trade deals we have. Even WTO, if we allowed the deals we want. I don’t see the point of all the uncertainty and division to get „no impact“.

So we can set as low a corporation tax as we want?

martcov · Sep 17, 2018

Grendel said:
Someone on a debate today said older people should be banned from voting. It’s the type of nonsense Hitler and Stalin would lap up

The anti Semitic nonsense of Hitler is alive and well in quotes from Vikto Orban. Only difference nowadays is that most conservative MEPs voted against sanctioning Orban for his anti Semitic and anti democratic actions. Desperate to curry favour with the EUs bad boy for help with Brexit. And you criticise Corbyn for anti semitism.

skybluetony176 · Sep 17, 2018

Evo1883 said:
I’m merely trying to please , reality is should be 50 years , a good old wait like we just had

In which case we really should ignore the referendum. It wasn’t due until 2025 using that logic.

martcov · Sep 17, 2018

Grendel said:
So we can set as low a corporation tax as we want?

Ireland does. There is a veto right which they the UK and Luxembourg hide behind.

martcov · Sep 17, 2018

Evo1883 said:
Doesn’t surprise me with the modern day left .
Gone are the days where being left wing meant fighting the establishment and hating big business .
Seemingly they love that these days

Corbyn is hardly praising the establishment or fawning over big business. That’s the Conservative‘s job.

Grendel · Sep 17, 2018

martcov said:
The anti Semitic nonsense of Hitler is alive and well in quotes from Vikto Orban. Only difference nowadays is that most conservative MEPs voted against sanctioning Orban for his anti Semitic and anti democratic actions. Desperate to curry favour with the EUs bad boy for help with Brexit. And you criticise Corbyn for anti semitism.

Good reason to leave the Eu - who wants to me part of a cosy club that includes that c**t

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