The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (6 Viewers)

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
Nick

Nick

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martcov said:
If the Scots and Northern Irish wish to remain, that is democracy and I'm for that - not anti UK.
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But doesn't democracy mean the actual vote and the areas voting in the same vote?

It wasn't a vote for just Scotland or ni was it?
 
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SIR ERNIE said:
Interesting how many young people are appearing on TV complaining that older voters have 'ruined their futures'.

Even more interesting to discover that a poll shows that only 36% of 18-24 year olds actually bothered to vote.
So if they'd turned out in the same numbers as the older voters, the result would have been 'Remain'.

Blame yourselves.
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Interesting. Do you have the article on that? To my shame, I can't find it with a crafty Google, beyond the stuff below. I can only find the New Statesman which mentions this said on social media, but
we will in fact never know exactly what proportion of each age group voted. Some quick background: at General Elections, representatives from political parties stand outside polling stations asking for your voting ID number, and collate this information country-wide to figure out who voted (and guess how, based on canvassing data). However, they tend not to at one-off votes, such as referendums, and didn't on Thursday.

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Sky isn't claiming this is collected data - it's projected, and a subsequent tweet said it was based on "9+/10 certainty to vote, usually/always votes, voted/ineligible at GE2015". I've asked for more information on what this means, but for now it's enough to say it's nothing more than a guess.
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I do think the same as there's a lower limit on voting though, we should have an upper. Make it fair and proper democratic like...
 
dancers lance

dancers lance

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SIR ERNIE said:
Interesting how many young people are appearing on TV complaining that older voters have 'ruined their futures'.

Even more interesting to discover that a poll shows that only 36% of 18-24 year olds actually bothered to vote.
So if they'd turned out in the same numbers as the older voters, the result would have been 'Remain'.

Blame yourselves.
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As I said to my 20 year old son when he told me many of his friends are devastated but when he asked them how they voted, most didn't) "but Son you have to remember there are bigger things in life like sending dick picks on Tinder, posting duck face selfies on Instagram and telling the whole world how offended you are on Facebook"
 
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Kingokings204

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Nick said:
But doesn't democracy mean the actual vote and the areas voting in the same vote?

It wasn't a vote for just Scotland or ni was it?
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It's like every election we need to spilt the north into labour and Tories in the south. We vote as a uk.

Scotland had a referendum 2 years ago and voted overwhelmingly to stay in the U.K. That includes any future decisions. So a second Scottish independence referendum is bunkum. Again anti democracy at work again.
 
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Kingokings204 said:
Even though we are and voted as a U.K.

What world are you living in?
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It would be democratic to allow the people of Scotland and NI a referendum on whether they want to leave the UK, based on this referendum changing the political landscape.

I'm sure nobody in favour of democracy would be against that, tbh.
 
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Kingokings204

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dancers lance said:
As I said to my 20 year old son when he told me many of his friends are devastated but when he asked them how they voted, most didn't) "but Son you have to remember there are bigger things in life like sending dick picks on Tinder, posting duck face selfies on Instagram and telling the whole world how offended you are on Facebook"
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As a previous poster said, the younger voted for free visa travel and free roaming charges.

Not I but all that by the way as I'm in my 20's and I voted out and my father in law in his 60's voted in. That's life
 
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Kingokings204

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Deleted member 5849 said:
It would be democratic to allow the people of Scotland and NI a referendum on whether they want to leave the UK, based on this referendum changing the political landscape.

I'm sure nobody in favour of democracy would be against that, tbh.
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Did I dream they had a referendum 2 years ago? What planet are you on? Seriously?
 
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Kingokings204 said:
As a previous poster said, the younger voted for free visa travel and free roaming charges.

Not I but all that by the way as I'm in my 20's and I voted out and my father in law in his 60's voted in. That's life
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The younger people I know voted for social justice, equality of peoples and a tolerant society that recognises a global landscape.

Everyone's different...
 
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I thought referenda were great anyway as they let the people speak... so what's wrong in letting the people speak?
 
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Kingokings204

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Deleted member 5849 said:
And this referendum changes it.

What planet are you on? Clearly not planet democracy.
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Oh come off it. No it doesn't. They voted to be part of the U.K 2 years ago? Yeah? Agreed?

What comes with that is every decision and movement we all take as a country. But every time we et a decision we vote again. Really stable and actually anti democratic.

You are showing utter contempt for the voters of Scotland. Shame on you is all I can say.
 
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Kingokings204 said:
Read it again and yeah you're still anti democratic and calling 17 million people racists and bigots. Thanks
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You are a moronic tool with a lack of reading cpmprehension.

Seriously, if you're going to reduce it to this then I call you an idiot and I'm off.
 
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Kingokings204

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Deleted member 5849 said:
You are a moronic tool with a lack of reading cpmprehension.

Seriously, if you're going to reduce it to this then I call you an idiot and I'm off.
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Now I can't read now. Lovely person you are.
Deleted member 5849 said:
Yes it does.

Why are you so against the people having their say? What are you afraid of?
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Actually I'm not. I agree with you NW. Fully agree with actually. They should have their say
 
dancers lance

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The Scottish had a referendum to leave the UK 2 years ago and voted to remain, and they voted remain knowing that the UK was going to have the EU referendum, so why did they vote to remain part of the UK and take the risk? Is it because they knew it was a risky move and just how complicated it would be for them to join EU and the fact they will have to adopt the Euro

Let them have the referendum.
 
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Kingokings204

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martcov said:
They have a right to ask for a separate referendum where they vote as themselves not as UK. That world. The one that acknowledges their right to decide to remain or not.
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Well I agree and they should have a referendum. Never denied them that but my point was mart Cov they have had a referendum 2 years ago and with that comes every decision we make as a country. No?
 
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dancers lance said:
The Scottish had a referendum to leave the UK 2 years ago and voted to remain, and they voted remain knowing that the UK was going to have the EU referendum, so why did they vote to remain part of the UK and take the risk? Is it because they knew it was a risky move and just how complicated it would be for them to join EU and the fact they will have to adopt the Euro

Let them have the referendum.
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Indeed. I can't see why not. Let them have the arguments, let them decide what they want to do.
 
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martcov

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Kingokings204 said:
Well I agree and they should have a referendum. Never denied them that but my point was mart Cov they have had a referendum 2 years ago and with that comes every decision we make as a country. No?
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No, bot in this case. It is a fundamental decision. The remain vote is over 60% - a clear majority ( as opposed to 52% ). To ignore it would mean altering the future development of a nation without the people's consent.
 
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Kingokings204

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martcov said:
No, bot in this case. It is a fundamental decision. The remain vote is over 60% - a clear majority ( as opposed to 52% ). To ignore it would mean altering the future development of a nation without the people's consent.[/QUOTE

A can't agree but At least you make a fair point.

I agree something big has changed yes but you can't chop and change when pleases you. In my eyes they had a referendum 2 years ago for the first time in how long? With that decision comes responsibility and progression.
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clint van damme

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dancers lance said:
The Scottish had a referendum to leave the UK 2 years ago and voted to remain, and they voted remain knowing that the UK was going to have the EU referendum, so why did they vote to remain part of the UK and take the risk? Is it because they knew it was a risky move and just how complicated it would be for them to join EU and the fact they will have to adopt the Euro

Let them have the referendum.
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the Scottish referendum took place in September 2014, the EU referendum wasn't announced until 2015.
 
dancers lance

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Does anyone think that if England had voted remain with Northern Ireland and Scotland and that Wales was the only country that voted leave (which they did in huge numbers) the likes of Nicola Sturgeon would be shouting that the Welsh should able to veto the result and force the outcome to be scrapped, as they as the country voted differently to the rest of the UK?
 
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dancers lance said:
Does anyone think that if England had voted remain with Northern Ireland and Scotland and that Wales was the only country that voted leave (which they did in huge numbers) the likes of Nicola Sturgeon would be shouting that the Welsh should able to veto the result and force the outcome to be scrapped, as they as the country voted differently to the rest of the UK?
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If your scenario had occurred, and Wales had then wanted a referendum, they should have been entitled to have one.

Democracy, innit.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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dancers lance said:
Does anyone think that if England had voted remain with Northern Ireland and Scotland and that Wales was the only country that voted leave (which they did in huge numbers) the likes of Nicola Sturgeon would be shouting that the Welsh should able to veto the result and force the outcome to be scrapped, as they as the country voted differently to the rest of the UK?
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why would she? She's first minister for Scotland.
Her whole remit is about countries having self determination, why would she get involved in Welsh affairs?
 
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