Ian1779
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Don’t worry I’m sure that will follow as soon as the centrist dads join in from the other politics thread.
There’s a lesson here for Starmer in this.
Don’t worry I’m sure that will follow as soon as the centrist dads join in from the other politics thread.Well I'm glad somebody like yourself has said this because if I said it then I'd be told to explain it point by point
But they could have done so much more couldn’t they?They did actually do a fair bit
This time he is so much more full of rage though isn't he.You've already had a trump term lads ffs .. you know what a trump presidency looks like you all said the same when he won before
Don’t worry I’m sure that will follow as soon as the centrist dads join in from the other politics thread.
There’s a lesson here for Starmer in this.
why do you think you’re being spoken down to? you came out with some shite in response to me saying he will be bad news for poor people (an odd stance to take for a labour supporter, and an even odder time to take it), i told you how it didn’t make any sense, and now you’re upset about your education and being apparently spoken down to?
Absolutely. But economically Biden was still more progressive than most of his post war predecessors.But they could have done so much more couldn’t they?
Israel Palestine ceasefire and peace at the expense of landI don't know how we got here, but here it is.
I do fear the worst, with this maniac in charge.
Wonder what's first on his to do list. Prescription of disinfectant for everyone, or another go at buying Greenland.
The people that will inevitably blame the ‘thick voter’ have learnt nothing from US 2016 and Brexit.Well if you follow a trump presidency and still 4 years later then lose to trump again who is to blame but yourself and thick voters
It doesn’t at all. But when there is a group of people that don’t see the changes play out in their pocket or in their everyday lives then they start to look elsewhere for a solution.Absolutely. But economically Biden was still more progressive than most of his post war predecessors.
It also still to me doesn’t magically make Trump the better candidate.
The people that will inevitably blame the ‘thick voter’ have learnt nothing from US 2016 and Brexit.
do i need to share the info graphic that BSB shared with you twice already, for a third time?Ok can I see the tax plans for the poor , then maybe il understand more .. cheers
lol i hardly think brexit is something to hang your hat on to counter argue stupidityThe people that will inevitably blame the ‘thick voter’ have learnt nothing from US 2016 and Brexit.
do i need to share the info graphic that BSB shared with you twice already, for a third time?
Or are you talking about trumps tax plans?
sorry if that’s talking down to you or i’m asking you to explain your question point by point
He’s hardly going to rein in Israel though. If anything he’ll enable them more and more.This is well worth a read for those wondering why/how this has happened.
Why Trump may be about to stage the biggest comeback in US history
He understands what Democrats don’t: America is fed up with migration, woke and foreign wars, writes Andrew Sullivan, a British-born conservative commentatorwww.thetimes.com
Personally as I’ve said before the whole Biden followed by Harris situation looked like a stitch up even if it wasn’t. She was a poor candidate (that needed to be tested in primaries not be anointed) and the Dems pushed a more progressive ticket. It felt like a kind of arrogance of this isn’t necessarily what you want but this is what you’ll get…and that doesn’t work well, especially in close elections
Hope the democrats can at least win the House to keep some checks and balances but if not, they’ve only got themselves to blame. Now America and the rest of the world will have to deal with the consequences….just hoping it’s not as messy as feared
I do agree with this but for the fact that Trump has already had his chance to do that and didn’t change anything for the better. His big plan on healthcare was to boot tens of millions of Americans off their insurance. John McCain stopped that last time, nobody can stop it this time.It doesn’t at all. But when there is a group of people that don’t see the changes play out in their pocket or in their everyday lives then they start to look elsewhere for a solution.
You liked the post where I shared it?I just want to see how the poorest will be paying more tax under trump because I genuinely haven't seen it , I hadn't seen the charts Robbie and you are still speaking to me like I'm a fucking child lad
You liked the post where I shared it?
He’s hardly going to rein in Israel though. If anything he’ll enable them more and more.
That is not what the graphic shows. And I don’t know why I have to keep saying it, Elon Musk has openly said that economic pain is coming. What more proof do you want?Ah sorry I liked a post that shows the poorest are not paying more tax .. I liked a post where it showed the rich are getting better tax cuts .
I asked to see where the poor will be paying more tax and will be worse off than they are now , I'm not trying to be funny
I had a lot of Brexit voters in my family and workplace and this was the most consistent theme. People really feel this way but I don’t understand why.i’m not sure why you’re being so insecure about your education and being spoken down to?
Ok cheersThat is not what the graphic shows. And I don’t know why I have to keep saying it, Elon Musk has openly said that economic pain is coming. What more proof do you want?
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how did you not see the charts when you liked his post?I just want to see how the poorest will be paying more tax under trump because I genuinely haven't seen it , I hadn't seen the charts Robbie and you are still speaking to me like I'm a fucking child lad
How can you look at that and not see that the poorest are not getting a tax increase? Should have gone to SpecsaversThat is not what the graphic shows. And I don’t know why I have to keep saying it, Elon Musk has openly said that economic pain is coming. What more proof do you want?
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I had a lot of Brexit voters in my family and workplace and this was the most consistent theme. People really feel this way but I don’t understand why.
and on top of this, i think BSB did actually share another graphic that showed the impact of trump tax changeshow did you not see the charts when you liked his post?
i’ve not actually said that the poor will be paying more tax under trump mate, if you look i said they will be comparatively worse off. This is because he will give significant tax cuts to the richest in society, which widens the gap between the rich and the poor and generally higher income disparity means lower social mobility for the lowest earners in society. Does that make sense? He’s also a huge fan of deregulation domestically, which means lower protections for workers etc
The other point i made was that he keeps bleating on about goods imported from china and elsewhere, and how he will “make china pay” for the good they’ve done for the world. While that is an undoubtedly popular rally cry for the nationalists, unfortunately most don’t understand that’s it’s not going to be china paying those tariffs, but its businesses. I’ve worked at a $50 billion dollar consumer goods company most of my career, and i’d input costs went up by 20%, do you know what would happen? passed into the consumer immediately. Who is disproportionately impacted by price rises of every day goods and service? poor people
hopefully that makes more sense as to what i meant
Apologies stu , some on here will be fun to deal with with on the football threads pretty soonHow can you look at that and not see that the poorest are not getting a tax increase? Should have gone to Specsavers
Barring some turnaround in Pennsylvania I have to agree. Turns out my prediction was idiotic!
how did you not see the charts when you liked his post?
i’ve not actually said that the poor will be paying more tax under trump mate, if you look i said they will be comparatively worse off. This is because he will give significant tax cuts to the richest in society, which widens the gap between the rich and the poor and generally higher income disparity means lower social mobility for the lowest earners in society. Does that make sense? He’s also a huge fan of deregulation domestically, which means lower protections for workers etc
The other point i made was that he keeps bleating on about goods imported from china and elsewhere, and how he will “make china pay” for the good they’ve done for the world. While that is an undoubtedly popular rally cry for the nationalists, unfortunately most don’t understand that’s it’s not going to be china paying those tariffs, but its businesses. I’ve worked at a $50 billion dollar consumer goods company most of my career, and i’d input costs went up by 20%, do you know what would happen? passed into the consumer immediately. Who is disproportionately impacted by price rises of every day goods and service? poor people
hopefully that makes more sense as to what i meant
Thanks for making my point.lol i hardly think brexit is something to hang your hat on to counter argue stupidity
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