skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Ain't that the truth.
Funny how people have been slagging off the Council and Higgs are now turning their attentions on to the Wasps.
They constantly change their minds as who is to blame.
They say I have always said sisu have had a part in it but continue to fight their corner for them?
How does starving SISU of money now we're home make it not viable when all they will do is either cut budgets or load any losses as debt against the club or both?
It worked at Suxfields because it demonstrated that Suxfields didn't work, unless you're trying to prove that the Ricoh doesn't work either I fail to see what you're trying to achieve.
Indeed. The logic is that it Coventry playing in Coventry isn't viable then no sane investor would touch them. Ginetta's wish is to kill off the club.
I'm not sure what you mean, people can blame different people for different things happening surely?Funny how people have been slagging off the Council and Higgs are now turning their attentions on to the Wasps.
They constantly change their minds as who is to blame.
They say I have always said sisu have had a part in it but continue to fight their corner for them?
That is our problem we are all looking at what might happen and therefore after making up our own minds on what is right and wrong we have about 10 battle lines no wonder our army is losing
It wouldn't if we stopped focussing on who's at fault, and instead focussed on what we wanted.
It worked at Suxfields because it demonstrated that Suxfields didn't work.
However, one cert is that Wasps will still be here.
This.
They didn't take us home because the business model didn't work for the club. They took us home because it no longer worked for them.
There's only so much debt they can burden the club with before they have to leave.
As long as it is viable for them to hold onto the CCFC they will do. It us up to us as fans to force their hand. Only boycott will do that.
No more or less likely to move, the club say they want to move, financially it makes no sense.
Income streams, as likely as when they had many years to make offers for buying them, do they want to buy them now? It would seem odd if they want to move.
CCFC would mean the City would be worse off, obviously.
So, no dancing around any issues, as you say, all obvious answers.
the door to the Ricoh management company was open, offers were invited, looks like only one came in.
Less than convinced about that personally. It's high risk for sure, they might well be but... the track record of clubs rocking up long term and lasting in 'alien' places ain't great,
It wouldn't if we stopped focussing on who's at fault, and instead focussed on what we wanted.
And most sensible post of the morning goes to....... DUFFER!!
What happens once SISU stop piling debt on the club?
How does your logic work here RT?
It's given, by most, that the club needs some kind of access to revenues from the stadium and surrounds. It's accepted by you above, that it makes little financial sense to build a new stadium. The council talked about building trust when the club returned from the Ricoh, which suggested scope at some point for a negotiation. Despite this, the council, by selling to Wasps who also need access to revenues from the Ricoh to survive, have locked CCFC out of them.
And yet you don't think that it's more probable that the club moves now. To me that's irrational. Whether it's gone from 'possible' to 'probable', or 'extremely unlikely' to just 'unlikely', clearly it's more in the club's interests to move now than it was before. On that basis it simply has to be more likely.
As for the door (to the Ricoh management company) being open and offers invited, let's look at that claim...
At the point when the club came back, did the council suggest that SISU made an offer for ACL, or did they actually say that it was time to rebuild trust?
I'll help here - this is the article, August 21st 2014, headline...
Council chief: We need time to rebuild trust before we discuss Ricoh Arena ownership
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/council-chief-need-time-rebuild-7651892
And did they ever make the same offer available to SISU as they made to Wasps - 100% of ACL for £5.5m, plus a 250-year lease? It would seem not. And in fact even when there was the opportunity after the fact, Higgs chose to take Wasps offer over CCFC's - the only reason for inviting an offer from CCFC Ltd being that they were legally required to, of course.
From where I'm sitting, the door wasn't open to the club buying ACL at the point we returned from Sixfields, the council (and Higgs) were actually in the process of closing it, bolting it, and bricking it up forever. Bitterly ironic, given that the Council's deputy leader actually said...
"All parties concerned need to learn to open doors the door for one another as opposed to allowing it to slam in other people’s faces."
God, I love you.
How do you mean?
But how? How is it so much better for the people of Coventry?
I can understand why it would be better for say a pub owner in Foleshill but why is it better for the majority of Coventry Residents?
BUT duffer fails to recognise that business partnerships are always based on trust and Sisu have never, not once, earned any.
In your grand plan. We all boycott and SISU stop piling debt on to the club. What happens next?
Because the club as it is, is not one I can support anyway.
Because the people of Coventry won't need to pay for the legal fees every time SISU take the council to Court?
BUT duffer fails to recognise that business partnerships are always based on trust and Sisu have never, not once, earned any.
3 things could happen:
1) they have to fund it themselves
2) they cut their losses and sell up (and it's been proven now that there would be interested parties)
3) the club goes out of business
We all know the first one won't happen.
The second one is what we all want.
And here's the bit you wanted to hear:
I am willing to take a chance on the third one happening. Because the club as it is, is not one I can support anyway.
Because the people of Coventry won't need to pay for the legal fees every time SISU take the council to Court?
This.
They didn't take us home because the business model didn't work for the club. They took us home because it no longer worked for them.
There's only so much debt they can burden the club with before they have to leave.
As long as it is viable for them to hold onto CCFC they will do. It us up to us as fans to force their hand. Only boycott will do that.
I have to hold my hands up and say outside of the CCFC fans on here I am struggling to find anyone who isn't a) over the moon that SISU will never get the Ricoh b) looking forward to having a top flight sports team in the city again.
Now I can and have made the argument for CCFC having a greater need for the 50% share Higgs sold to Wasps but you can't go against the majority and they seem quite happy with the way the deal has turned out.
To play devils advocate perhaps it says alot about how the sports teams in Coventry have made people feel? Look at the massive PR job Wasps have done so far, it probably eclipses everything we have done in the last 5 years!I think that says a lot about the mentality of people in Coventry who don't support their own teams rather than those who do. Shallow, short termist, whatever you want to call it, it stinks.
To play devils advocate perhaps it says alot about how the sports teams in Coventry have made people feel? Look at the massive PR job Wasps have done so far, it probably eclipses everything we have done in the last 5 years!
1. They're already funding it themselves.
2. Which interested parties are these?
3. Suppose this happens. What next?
How does your logic work here RT?
It's given, by most, that the club needs some kind of access to revenues from the stadium and surrounds. It's accepted by you above, that it makes little financial sense to build a new stadium. The council talked about building trust when the club returned from the Ricoh, which suggested scope at some point for a negotiation. Despite this, the council, by selling to Wasps who also need access to revenues from the Ricoh to survive, have locked CCFC out of them.
And yet you don't think that it's more probable that the club moves now. To me that's irrational. Whether it's gone from 'possible' to 'probable', or 'extremely unlikely' to just 'unlikely', clearly it's more in the club's interests to move now than it was before. On that basis it simply has to be more likely.
As for the door (to the Ricoh management company) being open and offers invited, let's look at that claim...
At the point when the club came back, did the council suggest that SISU made an offer for ACL, or did they actually say that it was time to rebuild trust?
I'll help here - this is the article, August 21st 2014, headline...
Council chief: We need time to rebuild trust before we discuss Ricoh Arena ownership
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/council-chief-need-time-rebuild-7651892
And did they ever make the same offer available to SISU as they made to Wasps - 100% of ACL for £5.5m, plus a 250-year lease? It would seem not. And in fact even when there was the opportunity after the fact, Higgs chose to take Wasps offer over CCFC's - the only reason for inviting an offer from CCFC Ltd being that they were legally required to, of course.
From where I'm sitting, the door wasn't open to the club buying ACL at the point we returned from Sixfields, the council (and Higgs) were actually in the process of closing it, bolting it, and bricking it up forever. Bitterly ironic, given that the Council's deputy leader actually said...
"All parties concerned need to learn to open doors the door for one another as opposed to allowing it to slam in other people’s faces."
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