The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (17 Viewers)

[Astute]

I genuinely had no idea little Tommy was holding a Brexit march

I will have to guess what has been said as I am not tempted enough to hit the show idiot content tab enough.

Yes UKIP is going down the racist road. They have taken on members and a leader that are not what UKIP was about. UKIP was for taking us out of the EU. Nothing more, nothing less. Now Farage is on about starting up another party.

Nigel Farage quits Ukip over party's 'extremism' direction

 

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[dutchman]

The whole Brexit mess is falling apart.

The whole EU is falling apart. May's attempted sellout-deal is just one tiny part of it.

 

[dutchman]

How‘s the Great Brexit Betrayal March coming along?

It passed off largely peacefully you'll be disappointed to hear.

No tear gas, no water cannon, no blazing barricades.

This is England not europe.

 

[martcov]

It passed off largely peacefully you'll be disappointed to hear.

No tear gas, no water cannon, no blazing barricades.

This is England not europe.

Only a few arrests. Also, not many turned up and they were completely outnumbered by people opposed to them. A total humiliation for the far right and a disaster for leave supporters. Hundreds of thousands turned up for remain and a couple of thousand for Brexit.

 

[martcov]

The whole EU is falling apart. May's attempted sellout-deal is just one tiny part of it.

It obviously isn’t. Which is why we ended up with a deal no one in the UK wants. May‘s sellout is reality. A divided country trying to negotiate with a united, in this case, Europe.

 

[dutchman]

It obviously isn’t. Which is why we ended up with a deal no one in the UK wants. May‘s sellout is reality.

There is no deal! It hasn't been voted-on yet and won't be. Britain will leave in March without any deal, sellout or otherwise.

 

[martcov]

I will have to guess what has been said as I am not tempted enough to hit the show idiot content tab enough.

Yes UKIP is going down the racist road. They have taken on members and a leader that are not what UKIP was about. UKIP was for taking us out of the EU. Nothing more, nothing less. Now Farage is on about starting up another party.

Nigel Farage quits Ukip over party's 'extremism' direction

UKIP cannot take us out of Europe as it has no MPs.

Now you are quoting press reports about his new party, having told me time and time again that he is an irrelevance and never in the news. You are now claiming his party was supposed to be taking us out of Europe.

Get your story straight.

 

[dutchman]

a disaster for leave supporters.

It was hardly a 'disaster' if none turned up!

In case you haven't noticed yet leave supporters aren't the kind that do that sort of thing.

They do however turn up in their droves to vote at the polling booths, unlike your EU supporters!

 

[martcov]

There is no deal! It hasn't been voted-on yet and won't be. Britain will leave in March without any deal, sellout or otherwise.

Ok. Then there is no sellout.

Technically there is no signed deal and it is only the proposed agreement to be able to move on to a trade deal.

The reason why we could leave with no deal is because Europe is united and we are not. Which is the contrary to Europe is falling apart as you claim.

 

[martcov]

It was hardly a 'disaster' if none turned up!

In case you haven't noticed yet leave supporters aren't the kind that do that sort of thing.

They do however turn up in their droves to vote at the polling booths, unlike your EU supporters!

Good. No doubt they will at a second referendum. Bring it on.

 

[dutchman]

UKIP cannot take us out of Europe as it has no MPs.

But it did force Cameron to hold a referendum on the issue in order to avoid a split in the Tory party which led ultimately to Britain's exit from from the EU monolithic superstate.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

It passed off largely peacefully you'll be disappointed to hear.

No tear gas, no water cannon, no blazing barricades.

This is England not europe.

Only a couple of thousand, just confirms what a non-racist country this is doesn’t it.

Weren’t there twice as many on the recent AfD march in Berlin which ended in disgraceful scenes and riots?

Also great to see that the anti-racist London march yesterday consisted of Leavers and Remainers.

What a great country this is.

 

[dutchman]

Technically there is no signed deal and it is only the proposed agreement to be able to move on to a trade deal.

Which now will never happen.

The reason why we could leave with no deal is because Europe is united and we are not.

Well they WERE, until Britain rejected May's sellout proposal and now they are desperately scrambling to find some sort of compromise to keep Britain tied to the EU for all eternity.

 

[dutchman]

Good. No doubt they will at a second referendum. Bring it on.

Yet you've said repeatedly you're against referendums as a way of deciding national policies!

 

[martcov]

Yet you've said repeatedly you're against referendums as a way of deciding national policies!

Yes, but we have snookered ourselves by having one. The only way to reverse the result, if that is what people want to do, is through the same method. Otherwise there will be claims of denying the will of the people.

 

[martcov]

Which now will never happen.



Well they WERE, until Britain rejected May's sellout proposal and now they are desperately scrambling to find some sort of compromise to keep Britain tied to the EU for all eternity.

Desperately scrambling? Spain wants more leeway on Gibraltar, France wants more fishing rights and May has phoned Tusk asking for help and may postpone the vote. Who is scrambling?

 

[Grendel]

Yes, but we have snookered ourselves by having one. The only way to reverse the result, if that is what people want to do, is through the same method. Otherwise there will be claims of denying the will of the people.

Then I guess if there is a poll a few months later wanting a third you’ll be first demanding it?

 

[dutchman]

Desperately scrambling? Spain wants more leeway on Gibraltar, France wants more fishing rights and May has phoned Tusk asking for help and may postpone the vote. Who is scrambling?

Since May represents the EU and not Britain it is obviously the EU which is scrambling.

 

[martcov]

Only a couple of thousand, just confirms what a non-racist country this is doesn’t it.

Weren’t there twice as many on the recent AfD march in Berlin which ended in disgraceful scenes and riots?

Also great to see that the anti-racist London march yesterday consisted of Leavers and Remainers.

What a great country this is.

What AfD march was that in Berlin?

The Brexit March was reported as:

„Alongside Union Jacks, flags for Generation Identity – a pan-European white nationalist group – Britain First and For Britain were everywhere. The British National Party tweeted from the event. Several signs and banners openly advocated violence.“

The Brexit rally was obviously not a very good advertisement for a great country.

It is great that hundreds of thousands protested in favour of the EU a few weeks ago, and an embarrassingly small amount turned out for leave.

 

[dutchman]

It is great that hundreds of thousands protested in favour of the EU a few weeks ago.

Hardly any of whom are registered to vote!

 

[martcov]

Then I guess if there is a poll a few months later wanting a third you’ll be first demanding it?

No, because it will not happen. If you remember Mogg is on video tape speaking for a second referendum to decide on any deal and Farage said 52:48 remain would mean „ work to be done“.

Should there be a second referendum, it would have to be decisive either way to end the arguments. I agree on that. Let’s see. A landslide for leave would give a strong mandate. Surprised you’re not pushing for it.

 

[martcov]

Hardly any of whom are registered to vote!

Really? Amazing.

 

[martcov]

Since May represents the EU and not Britain it is obviously the EU which is scrambling.

Really? Amazing. You know so much.

 

[dutchman]

Really? Amazing.

Yep. Foreign students, foreign immigrants and poll-tax dodgers. I was stood behind one in the polling station at Spon Gate School and he was quite miffed to discover you have to be actually registered here before you can vote.

 

[dutchman]

Really? Amazing. You know so much.

Not really. Pretty obvious to anyone who has been following what is going on...

 

[dutchman]

Should there be a second referendum, it would have to be decisive either way to end the arguments. I agree on that.

No you don't. Euronutters have never accepted the result of any vote which has gone against you, no matter by how big a margin, and never will.

 

[martcov]

No you don't. Euronutters have never accepted the result of any vote which has gone against you, no matter by how big a margin, and never will.

When were the others?

 

[martcov]

Yep. Foreign students, foreign immigrants and poll-tax dodgers. I was stood behind one in the polling station at Spon Gate School and he was quite miffed to discover you have to be actually registered here before you can vote.

Hundreds of thousands of poll Tax dodgers demonstrated for remain???? Based on one poll tax dodger being seen in Spon Gate school? ( anecdote: my gran went to that school almost 120 years ago )

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Yet you've said repeatedly you're against referendums as a way of deciding national policies!

He's only against them when he loses. Then the toys get thrown out of the pram.

 

[martcov]

He's only against them when he loses. Then the toys get thrown out of the pram.

Wait til Brexit gets called off....... then we will see tantrums

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Only a few arrests. Also, not many turned up and they were completely outnumbered by people opposed to them. A total humiliation for the far right and a disaster for leave supporters. Hundreds of thousands turned up for remain and a couple of thousand for Brexit.

You are completely deluded. Are you so worried about brexit you have to spout this tosh. The overwhelming majority or brexit supporters didn't know about this march or didn't care. You just keep repeating yourself because your seeking reassurance from your mates.

 

[dutchman]

When were the others?

As you already know...

Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe - Wikipedia

On 29 May 2005 the French public rejected the Constitution by margin of 55% to 45% on a turnout of 69%. Just three days later, the Dutch rejected the constitution by a margin of 61% to 39% on a turnout of 62%.

Dutch voters also voted against associate membership of the Ukraine in 2016 by a majojority of 61% to 38%.

2016 Dutch Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement referendum - Wikipedia

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Wait til Brexit gets called off....... then we will see tantrums

Hardly. We're not as extreme as you. And somebof us go to work for a start.

 

[dutchman]

Hundreds of thousands of poll Tax dodgers demonstrated for remain???? Based on one poll tax dodger being seen in Spon Gate school?

Nope, based on the result of the "People's Vote" in 2016.

 

[martcov]

Hardly. We're not as extreme as you. We go to work for a start.

You are completely deluded. Are you so worried about brexit you have to spout this tosh. The overwhelming majority or brexit supporters didn't know about this march or didn't care. You just keep repeating yourself because your seeking reassurance from your mates.

Not very extreme at all. Really?

They obviously don’t care enough to show support for Brexit, or are realistic enough to see that May has at least got a deal lined up.