Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (168 Viewers)

[PVA]

Sun journalist again - I didn’t and not did the government

It’s measuring ICU beds against the population which is odd isn’t it

We are forecast to have the worst death toll in Europe.

Do you still think the government's response was acceptable?

 

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[Ring Of Steel]

We are forecast to have the worst death toll in Europe.

Do you still think the government's response was acceptable?

You have more chance of seeing Lord Lucan ride into Cov City Centre on Shergar with the Russia Report in his rucksack than that ever getting a straight answer.

 

[Grendel]

We are forecast to have the worst death toll in Europe.

Do you still think the government's response was acceptable?

Well one person says that. My point about Ireland is it’s a very different country to England. It’s more similar to Sweden and is running at the same death rate per population despite a very different approach

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Well one person says that. My point about Ireland is it’s a very different country to England. It’s more similar to Sweden and is running at the same death rate per population despite a very different approach

and your answer to the second point?

 

[Ian1779]

Come on. Praising the first woman in parliament who happened to be an antisemite at a time where most people were anti semites isn’t quite the same as sharing a platform with them or otherwise hanging about. Or sharing anti Jew conspiracy stuff.

There absolutely has been people making the most of tiny stuff, but there’s also been a problem with some one the far left and Corbyn himself.

You said on this forum a while ago that there is a lot of things wrong with Corbyn, but he’s not a racist and he’s not an anti-semite - You were right.

Arguing the most prominent anti-racist in British politics over the last 40 years, is in fact a racist is horseshit. Who has done more to protect the rights of Jewish people (as a politician) than him?

That’s not ignoring the issues that do exist in the party around AS (and yes there are sections where this issue must be eradicated), that’s not ignoring the education that needs to happen, that not ignoring the hurt that some people will have felt by others actions.

 

[Astute]

Not to the same scale though....

Many thought Corbyn was a good leader.....And many still think the same way.

Look at this thread. It is very 1 sided. How many other than G sing the praises of the Tories?

The biggest problem Labour has is too many don't want change. But if change doesn't happen the Tories will stay in power.

I just hope Starmer is up to the job. Because it won't be an easy one.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Helpful?

(Sorry, can't keep up!)

Sir Keir Starmer did more on anti-Semitism in 'four days' than Jeremy Corbyn, claim Jewish leaders

 

[Grendel]

and your answer to the second point?

Other than Germany we have handled as well as any other major western industrial country.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Many thought Corbyn was a good leader.....And many still think the same way.

Look at this thread. It is very 1 sided. How many other than G sing the praises of the Tories?

The biggest problem Labour has is too many don't want change. But if change doesn't happen the Tories will stay in power.

I just hope Starmer is up to the job. Because it won't be an easy one.

Actually the worst thing is that people see this all as a purely political crisis, when it is in fact a humanitarian & medical crisis.

 

[Ian1779]

Many thought Corbyn was a good leader.....And many still think the same way.

Look at this thread. It is very 1 sided. How many other than G sing the praises of the Tories?

The biggest problem Labour has is too many don't want change. But if change doesn't happen the Tories will stay in power.

I just hope Starmer is up to the job. Because it won't be an easy one.

Of course people want change - the last thing they want is for the Labour Party to go back to being an iteration of the Tories. I hope Starmer will deliver and he will get my support until it’s evident he won’t do what he pledged.

 

[Astute]

I’m not sure how this isn’t sinking in so I’ll say it just one more time. I’m not Labour or ‘left’, I have slated both sides on this very thread. I believe the exact words were “you’re all as fucking bad as each other”.

but “the right” are quite some way ahead in the body count stakes, so that’s where the questions need to be focussed.

So when did you slate Labour? I can give you an endless list of where you have slated the Tories. All you have to do is look at just about every post you have made on the subject.

And strangely enough I haven't slated Labour once. I have just mentioned what needs to change to have a chance of getting into power. But you don't want change. You want it to stay just as it is.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Other than Germany we have handled as well as any other major western industrial country.

As you know, that’s not what he asked you- but in fairness you are something of a lone voice and you took a hell of a beating yesterday, so ok.

 

[shmmeee]

Cheers dude. Suppose I'll just have to suck it up. Just feel like I could be doing something useful like delivering food for the supermarkets or something like that.

Join one of the local FB volunteer groups.

 

[Grendel]

Helpful?

(Sorry, can't keep up!)

Sir Keir Starmer did more on anti-Semitism in 'four days' than Jeremy Corbyn, claim Jewish leaders

Corbyn was tbe Andy Thorn of politics. He’d have been sacked from any normal business years ago

 

[Ring Of Steel]

So when did you slate Labour? I can give you an endless list of where you have slated the Tories. All you have to do is look at just about every post you have made on the subject.

And strangely enough I haven't slated Labour once. I have just mentioned what needs to change to have a chance of getting into power. But you don't want change. You want it to stay just as it is.

Who’s in charge right now? What do Labour have to do with it?

I kind of give up on you at this point, you don’t make sense.

 

[PVA]

Other than Germany we have handled as well as any other major western industrial country.

Nice criteria. Basically filtering it down to get the few countries that have been hit the worst to make us not look so bad.

We had a two week headstart and have absolutely fucked it. It's indefensible.

 

[Astute]

Of course people want change - the last thing they want is for the Labour Party to go back to being an iteration of the Tories. I hope Starmer will deliver and he will get my support until it’s evident he won’t do what he pledged.

So why do you constantly try to disagree with me? Or you just want change of what got Labour into power last time and stay on the very left? Because that is what it sounds like.

Had enough. Going to bed for an hour or so.

 

[Ian1779]

Helpful?

(Sorry, can't keep up!)

Sir Keir Starmer did more on anti-Semitism in 'four days' than Jeremy Corbyn, claim Jewish leaders

To prove it was weaponised? Yes indeed

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Corbyn was tbe Andy Thorn of politics. He’d have been sacked from any normal business years ago

I do think Corbyn got a very tough, and unfair deal from many, especially on a personal level.

Unfortunately it's probably fair to say he's an excellent, hard working constituency MP, but not a natural leader.

 

[Grendel]

As you know, that’s not what he asked you- but in fairness you are something of a lone voice and you took a hell of a beating yesterday, so ok.

I was hardly on here yesterday and I’m happy to take a beating from a minority who will scream and whine once again I’m 5 years time and find more excuses why their brand of politics is as palatable to the majority as a plate of cold sick

 

[Ian1779]

So why do you constantly try to disagree with me? Or you just want change of what got Labour into power last time and stay on the very left? Because that is what it sounds like.

Had enough. Going to bed for an hour or so.

I very rarely disagree with you if you actually look. Challenge, tweak, adapt, suggest but rarely disagree.

 

[Astute]

Who’s in charge right now? What do Labour have to do with it?

I kind of give up on you at this point, you don’t make sense.

You just said you keep skating Labour as well as the Tories. But you haven't.

Oddly enough you shouldn't either. But to make a comment like that........

 

[Astute]

I very rarely disagree with you if you actually look. Challenge, tweak, adapt, suggest but rarely disagree.

But you never agree with me even when you agree with what I say...... You always word it in a different way.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You just said you keep skating Labour as well as the Tories. But you haven't.

Oddly enough you shouldn't either. But to make a comment like that........

I think you need to go have that lie down, and stop thinking everyone is out to get you & deliberately disagree with you.

 

[Grendel]

I do think Corbyn got a very tough, and unfair deal from many, especially on a personal level.

Unfortunately it's probably fair to say he's an excellent, hard working constituency MP, but not a natural leader.

Corbyn was for many a lunatic fringe man of the 80’s who sided with very unpleasant people and has a catastrophic record regarding foreign affairs. He should have been sacked years ago

 

[Brylowes]

Just add it to the list

Windrush
Grenfell
Universal Credit
COVID19

but they know how to win elections so that has to say something about the opposition as well, not sure it should be that difficult to evict people that inflict death & suffering on their own people from number 10

I think you are doing the popular/gutter press a disservice there to be honest.It’s no coincidence
that Labours only election victories in the last 40 years ‘are also the only elections they had the
Backing of the Sun newspaper.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I was hardly on here yesterday and I’m happy to take a beating from a minority who will scream and whine once again I’m 5 years time and find more excuses why their brand of politics is as palatable to the majority as a plate of cold sick

Whichever day, they all feel the same. They are unelectable which is a massive indictment when you look at what the Conservatives have presided over- I don’t know enough about Starmer to say either way whether he’s gonna make any difference.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I think you are doing the popular/gutter press a disservice there to be honest.It’s no coincidence
that Labours only election victories in the last 40 years ‘are also the only elections they had the
Backing of the Sun newspaper.

like I said before, The Sun has won every election since 1979

 

[Ian1779]

But you never agree with me even when you agree with what I say...... You always word it in a different way.

You’re not perfect mate :happy:

 

[Ian1779]

Corbyn was for many a lunatic fringe man of the 80’s who sided with very unpleasant people and has a catastrophic record regarding foreign affairs. He should have been sacked years ago

Catastrophic record on foreign affairs... yeah I forgot he was way wrong with his Iraq war call...

 

[Grendel]

Whichever day, they all feel the same. They are unelectable which is a massive indictment when you look at what the Conservatives have presided over- I don’t know enough about Starmer to say either way whether he’s gonna make any difference.

The most hilarious interview of that tired leadership campaign was when the 3 leadership candidates were asked who was the best labour leader

They couldn’t name one. It was hilarious as they were frightened of upsetting one of the fringes

The answer is Blair - even if they’d wheeled Blair out in the last election he’d have been more popular than that sad useless Corbyn - he couldn’t even run a chip shop

 

[clint van damme]

I do think Corbyn got a very tough, and unfair deal from many, especially on a personal level.

Unfortunately it's probably fair to say he's an excellent, hard working constituency MP, but not a natural leader.

I think there are a lot of Mps who get promoted due to great work in constituencies but aren't up to ministerial/shadow ministerial posts.

Promoted a level too far happens to individuals in many companies and professions.

 

[Grendel]

Catastrophic record on foreign affairs... yeah I forgot he was way wrong with his Iraq war call...

Let’s play yes or no
Did Corbyn get arrested Ian for protesting on behalf of Patrick Magee the brighton bomber - yes or no?

 

[Brylowes]

Well one person says that. My point about Ireland is it’s a very different country to England. It’s more similar to Sweden and is running at the same death rate per population despite a very different approach

One person ?
Unless the virus suddenly mutates and changes it’s known behaviour ‘that’s going to happen isn’t it ?

We are going to have the worst numbers in Europe aren’t we ?

 

[Flying Fokker]

Boris Johnson discharged from hospital.