Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (176 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

I think there are a lot of Mps who get promoted due to great work in constituencies but aren't up to ministerial/shadow ministerial posts.

Promoted a level too far happens to individuals in many companies and professions.

The Peter Principle.

I don’t think that’s it with Corbyn and the rest of the SCG. I just think campaigning and activism are very different tasks to electioneering and leading a diverse organisation.

 

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[Ian1779]

Let’s play yes or no
Did Corbyn get arrested Ian for protesting on behalf of Patrick Magee the brighton bomber - yes or no?

Yes he did
Seeing as we are playing this game... was he wrong or right on the Iraq War?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The most hilarious interview of that tired leadership campaign was when the 3 leadership candidates were asked who was the best labour leader

They couldn’t name one. It was hilarious as they were frightened of upsetting one of the fringes

The answer is Blair - even if they’d wheeled Blair out in the last election he’d have been more popular than that sad useless Corbyn - he couldn’t even run a chip shop

yes- I have to qualify my statements on this stuff as I am comparatively politically ignorant, but I agree with you. Blair has been demonised (and I’m not getting involved in the rights and wrongs) but he was better & more effective than Corbyn and everyone since could ever hope to be. That I’m sure is going to elicit howls of dissent but it’s a fact.

 

[shmmeee]

yes- I have to qualify my statements on this stuff as I am comparatively politically ignorant, but I agree with you. Blair has been demonised (and I’m not getting involved in the rights and wrongs) but he was better & more effective than Corbyn and everyone since could ever hope to be. That I’m sure is going to elicit howls of dissent but it’s a fact.

Atlee by a country mile. You can’t compare NMW and Sure Start to the founding of the NHS and welfare state.

Blair second, but very few of his changes lasted more than one term after he’d gone. Whereas it’s still political poison to try and remove the NHS.

 

[Brylowes]

Other than Germany we have handled as well as any other major western industrial country.

But we had big geographical and timescale advantages over them didn’t we ?
And we are still going to record worse numbers than them.

 

[Ian1779]

yes- I have to qualify my statements on this stuff as I am comparatively politically ignorant, but I agree with you. Blair has been demonised (and I’m not getting involved in the rights and wrongs) but he was better & more effective than Corbyn and everyone since could ever hope to be. That I’m sure is going to elicit howls of dissent but it’s a fact.

The Labour Party rot began with Blair as soon as everyone realised he was just a Red Tory....

In the sense of how ‘mainstream’ leadership is defined then yes you are right.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I think there are a lot of Mps who get promoted due to great work in constituencies but aren't up to ministerial/shadow ministerial posts.

Promoted a level too far happens to individuals in many companies and professions.

It does. I often get baffled at how being good at one job automatically makes someone suited to be a manager.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Atlee by a country mile. You can’t compare NMW and Sure Start to the founding of the NHS and welfare state.

Blair second, but very few of his changes lasted more than one term after he’d gone. Whereas it’s still political poison to try and remove the NHS.

yes- i was on about since but you’re right I’d say.

 

[Brylowes]

Corbyn was tbe Andy Thorn of politics. He’d have been sacked from any normal business years ago

So Would Johnson, you know his track record.

 

[Ian1779]

Many thought Corbyn was a good leader.....And many still think the same way.

I do - but I put that down to what I perceive as the qualities for good leadership.

I however acknowledge that does not work for a vast amount of people, despite my wishing to the contrary.

 

[shmmeee]

The Labour Party rot began with Blair as soon as everyone realised he was just a Red Tory....

In the sense of how ‘mainstream’ leadership is defined then yes you are right.

Nah, the rot began with trying to force high immigration down British people’s throats culminating in Browns “bigoted woman” gaff. The expenses scandal solidified us as “all the same”.

That’s when Labour started losing its base and we can’t win without them.

The final nail in the coffin has been try e weaponisation of conspiracy theory by the right and the gaming of social media algorithms. Before we used to agree there was an issue but disagree how to solve it, now the right disagrees there’s even an issue.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

I’ve repeated numerous times on here she’s a midwife over the last 5 years.

I wasn’t actually trying to make out she was on the frontline either, nor did I say she was, I feel worried about her enough as it is.

Thanks. Full respect to your girlfriend, I genuinely wasn’t aware it was common knowledge that she’s a midwife. I have a sister-in-law who’s also a midwife at Frimley Park and we’re all concerned for her too. She’s dedicated and incredibly hard working but just like you and yours, she’s self-effacing and right now would never describe herself as frontline given the heartbreaking battle going on in ICU.

Bottom line they’re all heroes.

 

[Ian1779]

Nah, the rot began with trying to force high immigration down British people’s throats culminating in Browns “bigoted woman” gaff. The expenses scandal solidified us as “all the same”.

That’s when Labour started losing its base and we can’t win without them.

The final nail in the coffin has been try e weaponisation of conspiracy theory by the right and the gaming of social media algorithms. Before we used to agree there was an issue but disagree how to solve it, now the right disagrees there’s even an issue.

I can’t see us reclaiming Scotland especially when the current shadow foreign secretary said that we should look to Catalonia to see how to deal with nationalism... that shit sticks and will most definitely be brought up again in time.

 

[shmmeee]

So Would Johnson, you know his track record.

Johnson and Corbyn and their cabinets were/are just as incompetent as each other. You really can’t use that as an excuse for voting Tory.

 

[PVA]

But we had big geographical and timescale advantages over them didn’t we ?
And we are still going to record worse numbers than them.

Yep. But Grendel still thinks we handled it better than Italy and refuses to place any criticism on the government.

 

[shmmeee]

I can’t see us reclaiming Scotland especially when the current shadow foreign secretary said that we should look to Catalonia to see how to deal with nationalism... that shit sticks and will most definitely be brought up again in time.

Scotlands a problem no doubt. Similar issues to Brexit there. God knows what we do.

though you are massively misquoting Nandy there. She wasn’t talking about the right wing government at all that was fake news from the RLB camp. To be honest that habit is what’s out me off identifying as on the left of the party. Same as the Jess Phillips “knife him in the front” stuff. Stick to the facts.

 

[Ian1779]

Johnson and Corbyn and their cabinets were/are just as incompetent as each other. You really can’t use that as an excuse for voting Tory.

This is why mandatory reselection for every election isn’t the worst idea. MP’s should realise it’s not a job for life and if you aren’t working in the interests of the people you should be out on your arse.

 

[Ian1779]

Scotlands a problem no doubt. Similar issues to Brexit there. God knows what we do.

though you are massively misquoting Nandy there. She wasn’t talking about the right wing government at all that was fake news from the RLB camp. To be honest that habit is what’s out me off identifying as on the left of the party. Same as the Jess Phillips “knife him in the front” stuff. Stick to the facts.

It’s not that I’m misquoting - but that’s how the quote was presented. I’m in no doubt that’s not WHAT she meant... buts that how it will be put out there.

I’ve far more time for Nandy than I do for people like Jess Phillips (although her work on domestic violence has been excellent)

 

[clint van damme]

It’s not that I’m misquoting - but that’s how the quote was presented. I’m in no doubt that’s not WHAT she meant... buts that how it will be put out there.

Exactly. She may have been misunderstood but it went down like a lead balloon in Scotland. It wasn't a good start.

 

[Brylowes]

Yes he did
Seeing as we are playing this game... was he wrong or right on the Iraq War?

I think we should include Boris Johnson in this game, he had some record as
Foreign Secretary.

 

[David O'Day]

Even with the nhs stuff. My country has lost its collective mind

It's the middle of a crisis. Incumbent governments always poll well in a crisis period.

Wait until this is over

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[Ian1779]

I think we should include Boris Johnson in this game, he had some record as
Foreign Secretary.

G won’t respond - he never does. Only likes to play his games on his terms and when he gets to ask the spurious questions.

He’s probably busy managing his Twitter account right now...

 

[David O'Day]

The Jewish community has many people who are opposed to Israel foreign policy!

Israel has at least one sect of Jews who are actually opposed to Israel. The Jewish community is full of diverse opinion just like any other.
I doubt Reeves will have her day. Antisemitism will not get anywhere near the attention it has done any more.

It's grenners, he has never met a Jewish person

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[Brylowes]

Johnson and Corbyn and their cabinets were/are just as incompetent as each other. You really can’t use that as an excuse for voting Tory.

Err I’m not ‘I would need much more than an excuse to vote Tory :emoji_thinking: a full frontal lobotomy maybe.

 

[Grendel]

Yes he did
Seeing as we are playing this game... was he wrong or right on the Iraq War?

It makes no difference the truth is that is the same as Boris Johnson campaigning for Thomas Maer - he should have been reminded just for that. He was never ever going to win an election and Blair with the war as his legacy would still have done better

 

[Ian1779]

It makes no difference the truth is that is the same as Boris Johnson campaigning for Thomas Maer - he should have been reminded just for that. He was never ever going to win an election and Blair with the war as his legacy would still have done better

So we’re not answering then.... no surprise.

 

[skybluetony176]

We are forecast to have the worst death toll in Europe.

Do you still think the government's response was acceptable?

There’s people in Italy asking if you’d rather live in the U.K.

 

[skybluetony176]

Well one person says that. My point about Ireland is it’s a very different country to England. It’s more similar to Sweden and is running at the same death rate per population despite a very different approach

They both had their first recorded death on the same day but other than that you’re not nearly correct. Sweden has almost double the population of Ireland yet almost three times as many deaths. The opposite of what you say is true. If anything it’s definitive proof that Sweden’s approach failed, given that both Ireland and Sweden should be on the same curve.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Gonna be about 800 deaths today and tomorrow then over 1000 on Tuesday

 

[fernandopartridge]

Are fish and chip shops still opening in cov?

 

[Brylowes]

Are fish and chip shops still opening in cov?

Don’t go to Jeremy Corbyns ‘Grendel reckons it’s shit.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Don’t go to Jeremy Corbyns ‘Grendel reckons it’s shit.

Obsessed with Gendel lol

 

[clint van damme]

Are fish and chip shops still opening in cov?

Just been o just eats and it looked like a few were delivering. Don't know whether they're actually open though
What about your neck of the woods?

 

[chiefdave]

This doesn't seem good, only 1% of applications to the governments emergency loan scheme have been processed according to the Sunday Times.

The government’s loans scheme for coronavirus-struck businesses has been criticised by a former governor of the Bank of England, as the government admitted that just 1 per cent of applications have been processed so far.

Lord King, who was head of the bank during the 2008 financial crash, said it was clear “something has gone wrong” with the scheme.

Just 4,200 loans have gone out to businesses in the three weeks that the scheme has been running, the business secretary Alok Sharma said this morning. There are estimated to have been 300,000 applications so far.

“I am worried about it because the economy will recover quickly only if we can keep the businesses that existed and the beginning of it still functioning,”

 

[Grendel]

So we’re not answering then.... no surprise.

I have answered - Corbyn could never win an election ever - someone should have forced him out - Tories don’t give lane ducks much time before they are shot