Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (202 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

I'm not sure, I don't think so necessarily. The London Nightingale is different to the others mind, in that it's for critically ill patients whereas the others aren't.

Yeah the london one was designed because they saw Milan and were scared that the London ICU departments would be over run.

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[David O'Day]

I can’t even.



Those who are sympathetic to the Trumps of this world, help me out here. Is she too stupid to know what the 19 stands for or is she intentionally lying to voters to rile them up against the WHO?

I honestly don’t know which is worse.

I like the comment underneath about malcolm x following malcolm ix

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The lack of testing now is either a failure by government to secure the tests/processing by now given so many other countries are capable of much higher levels, or it is deliberately being kept low despite expert advice and some evidence to back up testing makes a massive difference and the rhetoric of ramping up is a complete lie that needs to be called out and investigated.

Being shit at your job is one thing. To deliberately mislead the public of your intentions in a health crisis is quite another. At best scandalous, at worse criminal. But misleading people is what they do best.

 

[shmmeee]

Wuhan ‘wet markets’ reopen as WHO gives green light despite coronavirus link

Article is a bit confused. A wet market is just any market selling meat and veg, Coventry Market is a wet market.

The one they’re reporting on had live crabs and crayfish, which is pretty normal AFAIK. China banned a whole load of animals as meat quite recently.

Seems like most of the article is Australia’s far right PM getting angry at stuff he doesn’t understand.

 

[Ian1779]

28 year old pregnant nurse has died from CV, baby delivered by c-section has survived for now. How tragic:

Pregnant NHS nurse dies with coronavirus – but baby saved

This is tragic... how come she wasn’t at home as she would be identified as vulnerable/at risk?

Just floating the question not accusing to be clear.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Total cases and deaths down again @Sick Boy

Great news for Italy, looks like its really starting to turn a corner

 

[skybluetony176]

I can’t even.



Those who are sympathetic to the Trumps of this world, help me out here. Is she too stupid to know what the 19 stands for or is she intentionally lying to voters to rile them up against the WHO?

I honestly don’t know which is worse.

Isn’t the 19 just an abbreviation of 2019? Ie the year the virus hit.

 

[shmmeee]

Isn’t the 19 just an abbreviation of 2019? Ie the year the virus hit.

Yep.

The virus is SARS-Cov-2 after SARS which was SARS-Cov-1.

 

[David O'Day]

Article is a bit confused. A wet market is just any market selling meat and veg, Coventry Market is a wet market.

The one they’re reporting on had live crabs and crayfish, which is pretty normal AFAIK. China banned a whole load of animals as meat quite recently.

Seems like most of the article is Australia’s far right PM getting angry at stuff he doesn’t understand.

Yeah Dom posted a video of a market that sold fish and veg and called it disgusting.

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[David O'Day]

Isn’t the 19 just an abbreviation of 2019? Ie the year the virus hit.

Yep she knows this as well

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[Sick Boy]

Total cases and deaths down again @Sick Boy

Great news for Italy, looks like its really starting to turn a corner

Yes it does mate I also heard that the intensive care cases keep falling as well, I have had a couple of client pitches the last couple of days so not been able to watch the daily briefings, will try to tomorrow though

 

[MalcSB]

Isn’t this all down to lack of testing generally? Have we ever had a reason given why our capacity is so low?

Capacity is not the same as tests done. Capacity is increasing. Tests done is a function of the testing strategy in place. More NHS staff are being tested now in addition to hospital patients. You have to increase the available capacity before offering the test more widely else that capacity will be swamped, backlogs developed and turnaround time for results extended. Availability of testing equipment and test reagents has been limited and delivery unreliable. There has been no financial barrier to the acquisition of either.

 

[shmmeee]

Capacity is not the same as tests done. Capacity is increasing. Tests done is a function of the testing strategy in place. More NHS staff are being tested now in addition to hospital patients. You have to increase the available capacity before offering the test more widely else that capacity will be swamped, backlogs developed and turnaround time for results extended. Availability of testing equipment and test reagents has been limited and delivery unreliable. There has been no financial barrier to the acquisition of either.

Just saw Hancock saying it’s down to demand not capacity.

I do have to question why countries that have stated testing is part of their plan can get the tests and those that have gone a different route have problems.

 

[shmmeee]

Jesus.

 

[Grendel]

The

Jesus.

Are you surprised?

 

[MalcSB]

Just saw Hancock saying it’s down to demand not capacity.

I do have to question why countries that have stated testing is part of their plan can get the tests and those that have gone a different route have problems.

There isn’t much of an in vitro diagnostics industry in the U.K., there never has been really as the domestic market is so small. Germany and the US have always had big players in that industry and seem to have had the ability to do lots of tests. I wonder if there is a link? Demand is being gradually increased, following increases in capacity, as the availability of testing to more groups is opened up.

 

[shmmeee]

There isn’t much of an in vitro diagnostics industry in the U.K., there never has been really as the domestic market is so small. Germany and the US have always had big players in that industry and seem to have had the ability to do lots of tests. I wonder if there is a link? Demand is being gradually increased, following increases in capacity, as the availability of testing to more groups is opened up.

I may be being stupid here, but we live in a world of global trade, couldn’t we just buy them in? IIRC Germany were doing tests for Italy at one point.

Looking at the country by country rates were below places like Equador and Turkey, do these places have large in vitro diagnostics industries?

Don’t mean this to come across as accusatory, all genuine questions sorry.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Germany opening schools from May 4th and some shops from next week

 

[MalcSB]

I may be being stupid here, but we live in a world of global trade, couldn’t we just buy them in? IIRC Germany were doing tests for Italy at one point.

Looking at the country by country rates were below places like Equador and Turkey, do these places have large in vitro diagnostics industries?

Don’t mean this to come across as accusatory, all genuine questions sorry.

I really don’t know, I was just trying to make sense of it. We clearly started from a low base in terms of equipment. It’s a new virus and the test is a genetic test so there wouldn’t have been specific reagents on the shelf. Did Turkey start seeing cases earlier and got in the market before the supply became limited? Have all countries been as stringent in terms of acceptability of sensitivity and specificity of tests used - there seems to be a lot of stuff out there that isn’t great. Locally, all the stops have been pulled out to develop a robust testing capability in a very short time frame against difficulties with supply.

I guess there will be a review after the event. Whether that will identify the root cause - who knows. To a very great extent, the difficulties with supply of PPE are the most difficult to understand. None of that kit is new or specific.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Liam Gallagher is putting on a free concert for nhs workers at the 02

That will kill the Virus.

 

[rondog1973]

Yep she knows this as well

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She also coined the term alternative facts...

 

[Johhny Blue]

Yeah. Have you seen the amount of barbers down FGS? That's a lot of men needing a haircut in such a small area.....

There's also a lot of baldies in Holland

 

[Gray]

I may be being stupid here, but we live in a world of global trade, couldn’t we just buy them in? IIRC Germany were doing tests for Italy at one point.


Looking at the country by country rates were below places like Equador and Turkey, do these places have large in vitro diagnostics industries?

Don’t mean this to come across as accusatory, all genuine questions sorry.

Turkey is 3 times the size of the UK and most people live in villages, so keeping away from people is easier. Here we are squeezed into a relatively small space with the 2nd highest population in Europe. You can't judge every country the same

 

[shmmeee]

Turkey is 3 times the size of the UK and most people live in villages, so keeping away from people is easier. Here we are squeezed into a relatively small space with the 2nd highest population in Europe. You can't judge every country the same

What’s that got to do with the number of tests per capita they’ve done?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Lockdown Lessons #9

nasal hair clippers weren’t such a shit christmas present after all

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What’s happening in France and is that us in 2 weeks?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

USA, Germany, France, Spain and Italy all seem to have some sort of strategy coming out for getting out the lockdown....does anyone think our government has even thought this through yet? I know we’re behind a few of them but who knows

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

What’s happening in France and is that us in 2 weeks?

Lockdown till the 11th with some things then reopening and some schools back by the end of May

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Also the government said today that the capacity is there today to do all the testing but the demand isn’t there....something I’m also confused about because isn’t everyone pissed were not testing enough?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Also the government said today that the capacity is there today to do all the testing but the demand isn’t there....something I’m also confused about because isn’t everyone pissed were not testing enough?

It's just more horseshit from Hancock. The NHS employees alone could eat that extra capacity pretty quickly.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

First heard this story yesterday and it was £1m, then saw it a bit later £2m, this morning on FB it was at £5m, now £7m!

At this rate this guy will be funding more of the NHS than the government!

More than Starbucks et al.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Also the government said today that the capacity is there today to do all the testing but the demand isn’t there....something I’m also confused about because isn’t everyone pissed were not testing enough?

Yep - no demand my arse. There must be hundreds of thousands of people who'd love to be tested to see if they've got it or not. Not to mention all the health and care workers.

 

[hill83]

Yep - no demand my arse. There must be hundreds of thousands of people who'd love to be tested to see if they've got it or not. Not to mention all the health and care workers.

I’d like a test to see if I’ve had it or not please.

 

[chiefdave]

The more that comes out the worse it gets. Is there actually anything the government haven't messed up in handling this crisis?

Social care virus response sparks 'confusion'

Written on Saturday to a senior official at the Department of Health and Social Care by the Association of Directors of Adult Social Services (Adass), it says mixed messages from the government have created "confusion and additional workload".

On protective equipment for care workers, the letter says the national handling has been "shambolic".

Early drops of equipment have been "paltry" and more recent deliveries have been "haphazard", with some even being confiscated by border control for the NHS.

Brits criticise 'shambolic' return from India

British tourists returning from India have called the UK government response "shambolic" and "embarrassing".

Some said it took hours to reach anyone by phone, communication was confusing and the British authorities were "incompetent and uncaring".

One man, who is still in India, said he was told he was being taken to a flight but later found out this was an error.

 

[Astute]

What’s happening in France and is that us in 2 weeks?

If you go past the headlines....yes it could be us.

Parts of what is happening are confusing. One woman started advertising her hairdressers was opening on the 11th March. Social media went into meltdown. Half were saying it wasn't allowed and the other half were saying it was allowed.

Children's clothes shops are allowed to reopen on the 11th. Does this mean only children's clothes or is it any shop that sells some children's clothes? If this is the case can a shop start selling some children's clothes and then reopen?

They have managed the situation much better than we have. But there is still a lot of confusion about. You can't shut life down as we know it and not explain every point clearly. But how do you explain every point clearly when people are desperate to get their businesses up and running again so are looking for loopholes.

The only clear rule is no entertainment business of any kind is allowed to reopen until at least mid July.