Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (154 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Cameron is close for being as dense TBF, though they were both the same type of person. Though telling Johnson sees him as “a girly swot” which tells you all you need to know about how Johnson rates his own intellect.

Corbyn was on another level. A deeply stupid man.

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The man possibly caught Covid 19 by shaking hands with people who have Covid 19 when his own official advice was social distancing and then at the very press conference we were being told not to visit our mothers on mothers day he was talking about hoping to see his mother on Mother’s Day.

He ain’t smart.

I think the main thing behind that is privilege. People like him are used to being able to flout the rules normal people can't because they think they don't apply to them, just the working classes, so he doesn't see it as an error. We've seen a fair few people giving out advice and then flouting it themselves.

 

[Astute]

Take that Merkel video. It's clear and makes the point. But to many it'll be dull and they'll just mentally switch off, while others will say it comes across as a bit condescending.

But just what most Germans see as normal.

They wouldn't have just listened to Boris constantly saying 'get Brexit done'. They would want to know why they should get Brexit done. They would have wanted all the details.

 

[PVA]

An inept government got voted in because an inept opposition didn't have a clue what to do for the best.

The worse thing is if we pull out of the aftermath of the virus and do OK Boris might be seen as some kind of hero.

I just hope Starmer is up to showing Boris for what he is. And that the Labour infighting stops. Get both and we should get a Labour government. Miss one and we won't.

The opposition didn't help, but an inept government was voted in because people wanted Brexit (and less foreigners), that's the long and short of it.

And I can definitely see Boris being labeled as a hero at the end of this, no matter how our figures stand up to other countries. We have seen in this thread how people think the sun shines out of his arse and will even ignore or defend unnecessary deaths in response to any warranted criticism of him.

 

[Grendel]

Cameron is close for being as dense TBF, though they were both the same type of person. Though telling Johnson sees him as “a girly swot” which tells you all you need to know about how Johnson rates his own intellect.

Corbyn was on another level. A deeply stupid man.

For the record I’d say David Cameron was the most pointless Prime Minister in living memory

 

[Astute]

Corbyn was on another level. A deeply stupid man.

Don't think he is as bad as that.

To me his biggest fault is trying to keep everyone happy. Or trying not to upset anyone. So you rarely get the answers that are needed.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Because we are living this we don't realise how bad he is.

Yep. Why I wish I'd always be around so I can see what history makes of it. To be around in a century or two and see the documentaries on our times and what those people think of us (I reckon capable of great ingenuity but also exceptionally stupid as we knew about the stuff we were doing wrong and just carried on as we were and had a massive obsession with money that only exists on paper). Georgians and Victorians considered themselves very smart but we look back and think how stupid some of the things they did and believed in were.

I'd especially love to see what they make of Trump.

 

[chiefdave]

I've ended up in a strange parallel world where Piers Morgan is the voice of reason. Nadine Dorries tweeted that full lockdown would last until a vaccine is found. Morgan picked up on it tweeting "Health minister says UK will be in ‘full lockdown’ until there is COVID-19 vaccine - which experts say will be at least 18 months. Astonishing break from other Govt statements". She's now outright denying she said it.

 

[Astute]

The opposition didn't help, but an inept government was voted in because people wanted Brexit (and less foreigners), that's the long and short of it.

And I can definitely see Boris being labeled as a hero at the end of this, no matter how our figures stand up to other countries. We have seen in this thread how people think the sun shines out of his arse and will even ignore or defend unnecessary deaths in response to any warranted criticism of him.

It can only go one way.

Was the referendum a close result?

People changed their minds after the result. But it was the way some ranted about the result. And it is MP's I am talking about. Saying out loud they wanted to ignore the electorate.

Then you had the delay from Labour on what they would do. Votes were lost. Then by the time Labour came out with their strategy the voting public just wanted it over whatever. Played into the hands of Boris.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

But just what most Germans see as normal.

They wouldn't have just listened to Boris constantly saying 'get Brexit done'. They would want to know why they should get Brexit done. They would have wanted all the details.

A bit generalistic but on the whole yes Germans probably would want a better explanation than over here. Could be a hangover from having the Nazi's voted in - get the details rather than soundbites and getting caught up in the personality and propaganda.

But that's not to say Germany doesn't have those that will just blindly follow a rhetoric that suits their own beliefs.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

One of the main tenets of right sided thinking is to never, ever admit fault or mistake. Never say sorry. It can be used as a stick to beat you with and seen as a sign of weakness. If you don't admit mistakes or spin it even if it seems pretty obvious you've fucked up you make people find clear evidence of your fault and that's much harder and you can just carry on.

It's one of the many things G has taken on from that book of thinking.

Thats very well put. What they don't realise is that it makes them look foolish and dishonest.

I've ended up in a strange parallel world where Piers Morgan is the voice of reason. Nadine Dorries tweeted that full lockdown would last until a vaccine is found. Morgan picked up on it tweeting "Health minister says UK will be in ‘full lockdown’ until there is COVID-19 vaccine - which experts say will be at least 18 months. Astonishing break from other Govt statements". She's now outright denying she said it.

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Ah yes, she's the one that when Boris came out of ICU she tweeted "the country can breathe again", on the day when we passed 10,000 people who had stopped breathing permanently. Great way with words that one.

Taking the PM out of the question for a moment- educate me here. Is this the worst collection of ministers ('cabinet' I guess) of all time? Who could possibly have been worse than Hancock, Patel, Raab etc? They just seem to be be astoundingly unfit to be running the country. The one thing they all seem to lack is any kind of empathy- when you have a situation where Piers bloody Morgan is easily dissecting them every day on national TV you surely know you have a major problem with your competence levels? I have very limited knowledge here but I would guess that the opposition at the last election was up there with the most ineffective as well- maybe Howard, Hague & IDS would push them though- I don't know. This country seems completely unable to find 'leadership'.

 

[Astute]

I've ended up in a strange parallel world where Piers Morgan is the voice of reason. Nadine Dorries tweeted that full lockdown would last until a vaccine is found. Morgan picked up on it tweeting "Health minister says UK will be in ‘full lockdown’ until there is COVID-19 vaccine - which experts say will be at least 18 months. Astonishing break from other Govt statements". She's now outright denying she said it.

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I put Piers Morgan on the same level as Katie Hopkins. They chat shite most of the time as they make a living by being controversial. But sometimes they are spot on as they say what most people are too scared to say.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Did Corbyn ever admit fault for the last GE defeat?

It's not solely the right that do it. Usually anyone in power will at some point have followed that method regardless of political leaning. But on the whole right wing tend to be hold more powerful positions. I reckon this failure to admit mistakes is a large part of it.

 

[BodicoteSkyBlue]

Because we are living this we don't realise how bad he is. He didn't believe in brexit but decided to try and be the face of the 'leave' campaign, shat himself and ran away when they won, bided his time and stuck the knife into everyone to get his ambition of being PM then did exactly the same as the people he screwed over, filled the cabinet with no-marks and inept failures, ran away again again after the election & went on lots of holidays, completely failed the country with his coronavirus response and is now in hiding again- all the while taking the UK to its most divided state in generations with everybody hating each other, eugenics experts calling the shots and people like Hancock, Patel and Raab running the show by lying to the country on a daily basis. I saw this morning we are 'importing' hundreds of Eastern Europeans to work on farms- really taking back control.

He is an utter, unqualified, dangerous disaster and when we look back in 20/30 yrs it will be obvious just how shit and catastrophic the 'Johnson era' was.

Top quality assessment!!

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I put Piers Morgan on the same level as Katie Hopkins. They chat shite most of the time as they make a living by being controversial. But sometimes they are spot on as they say what most people are too scared to say.

I think you are on dangerous ground there, Hopkins is way, way worse. As we speak she is still posting anti-muslim/pakistani rhetoric, is saying that the 'clap' is being hijacked by BAME people and is calling for an end to lockdown and its all over-hyped. She's in a different league to Morgan.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Thats very well put. What they don't realise is that it makes them look foolish and dishonest.

But they don't care. When they have privilege the thoughts of anyone they consider 'beneath' them are unimportant and water off a ducks back.

Besides which as long as they keep the power, influence and money they couldn't give a shit. That is what matters.

 

[Astute]

It's not solely the right that do it. Usually anyone in power will at some point have followed that method regardless of political leaning. But on the whole right wing tend to be hold more powerful positions. I reckon this failure to admit mistakes is a large part of it.

It isn't just a left wing or a right wing thing. But many people only look in one direction for an answer. They ignore looking for bad in those they agree with.

These days many don't want to admit what they have done wrong. It isn't just a Tory thing.

 

[CCFCSteve]

He went to Oxford and can recite some latin

haha, correct.

isn’t he fluent in 3-4 languages and can speak well in 2-3 others. Again, appreciate people aren’t fans (some for good reason) and I’m not suggesting he’s a genius, but not sure he can be classed as stupid hence my original comment

 

[Astute]

I think you are on dangerous ground there, Hopkins is way, way worse. As we speak she is still posting anti-muslim/pakistani rhetoric, is saying that the 'clap' is being hijacked by BAME people and is calling for an end to lockdown and its all over-hyped. She's in a different league to Morgan.

But as I said occasionally she is right. And also as I said she only makes a living from being controversial.

Did you see the time on TV where she said children shouldn't be named after flowers. She got reminded she had a daughter called Poppy. She made her excuses then continued. She said Then that children shouldn't be named after places like Brooklyn or Paris. She then got reminded that she had a daughter called India

 

[Ring Of Steel]

haha, correct.

isn’t he fluent in 3-4 languages and can speak well in 2-3 others. Again, appreciate people aren’t fans (some for good reason) and I’m not suggesting he’s a genius, but not sure he can be classed as stupid hence my original comment

Yes but "stupid"- define that? Emotional Intelligence is just as important as IQ especially in positions of leadership, and the government are totally devoid of it. 'Intelligence' is a very big word to apply to someone, if it was that easy then Stephen Hawking should have been PM.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It isn't just a left wing or a right wing thing. But many people only look in one direction for an answer. They ignore looking for bad in those they agree with.

These days many don't want to admit what they have done wrong. It isn't just a Tory thing.

Maybe not these days, but it has spread because it has been effective for the right in the past. As long as they can get enough people to agree you weren't a fault, or at least question whether any mistake has been made, you're often not held to account and you wait for it to blow over and for them to move onto the next hot topic.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

But as I said occasionally she is right. And also as I said she only makes a living from being controversial.

Did you see the time on TV where she said children shouldn't be named after flowers. She got reminded she had a daughter called Poppy. She made her excuses then continued. She said Then that children shouldn't be named after places like Brooklyn or Paris. She then got reminded that she had a daughter called India

I'm not going to ask what you think she has been right on as I suspect it wouldn't lead to a nice conversation.

 

[MalcSB]

Thats very well put. What they don't realise is that it makes them look foolish and dishonest.


Ah yes, she's the one that when Boris came out of ICU she tweeted "the country can breathe again", on the day when we passed 10,000 people who had stopped breathing permanently. Great way with words that one.

Taking the PM out of the question for a moment- educate me here. Is this the worst collection of ministers ('cabinet' I guess) of all time? Who could possibly have been worse than Hancock, Patel, Raab etc? They just seem to be be astoundingly unfit to be running the country. The one thing they all seem to lack is any kind of empathy- when you have a situation where Piers bloody Morgan is easily dissecting them every day on national TV you surely know you have a major problem with your competence levels? I have very limited knowledge here but I would guess that the opposition at the last election was up there with the most ineffective as well- maybe Howard, Hague & IDS would push them though- I don't know. This country seems completely unable to find 'leadership'.

Are any of the political “class” up to scratch these days?

 

[Astute]

haha, correct.

isn’t he fluent in 3-4 languages and can speak well in 2-3 others. Again, appreciate people aren’t fans (some for good reason) and I’m not suggesting he’s a genius, but not sure he can be classed as stupid hence my original comment

You can be intelligent but also stupid.

My wife is very intelligent but also stupid. People are sometimes amazed at comments she makes as they don't make sense to anyone else. And to prove a point she married me

 

[CCFCSteve]

One of the main tenets of right sided thinking is to never, ever admit fault or mistake. Never say sorry. It can be used as a stick to beat you with and seen as a sign of weakness. If you don't admit mistakes or spin it even if it seems pretty obvious you've fucked up you make people find clear evidence of your fault and that's much harder and you can just carry on.

Agree with this SBD but think it’s common across politics. I can never understand how people don’t want to admit theyre wrong and/or say sorry. 9 out of 10 people would respect individuals more for it and probably more likely to trust/support them in future

 

[Astute]

I'm not going to ask what you think she has been right on as I suspect it wouldn't lead to a nice conversation.

I don't follow her as I don't like the woman. And my memory is shocking these days. But she has made comments in the past that said the same thing as with Morgan. 'Can't believe I agree with Hopkins'

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I'm going to amend my view- has there ever been a government with such a lack of Emotional Intelligence (EQ)? Very basic definition- knowing what emotion to use & how to conduct oneself at any particular time in order to convey leadership, knowledge & assurance no matter what actual knowledge might be.

One thing I'd say about Boris- he has high EQ. He patently knows very little, but he has the ability to engage people and get them on side. Not all, but big swathes want this guy to talk to them.

 

[fernandopartridge]

haha, correct.

isn’t he fluent in 3-4 languages and can speak well in 2-3 others. Again, appreciate people aren’t fans (some for good reason) and I’m not suggesting he’s a genius, but not sure he can be classed as stupid hence my original comment

He's good at rote learning. He isn't stupid of course but the reality probably is that he doesn't really care. He isn't interested in detail. This is the problem with our increasing move towards a presidential form of a Prime Minister.

 

[bezzer]

Also never understood why RNLI, mountain rescue and air ambulance aren't state funded.

They're much better off not being funded by the government. In times of Austerity can you imagine some of the first things that would have funding cut? The ones above would no doubt be very high up the list.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He isn't interested in detail.

That's the main problem with him tbh. Even then, broad brushstrokes and vision aren't so bad if you surround yourself with the right people...

 

[Sick Boy]

He went to Oxford and can recite some latin

Over here those who go to the classics school can recite Latin and Ancient Greek as well, and that’s just a standard comprehensive that 25% of students go to.

 

[Sick Boy]

Yes I’m sure when John McDonnell said sorry for his past terrorist associations he was genuinely remorseful and I’m sure Clegg was really sorry for his blatant lies. Any politician that says sorry isn’t sorry at all The charlatan Macron being a clastic example. Politicians apologise when expedient to do so

Hahaha and yet another rant about Macron.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Over here those who go to the classics school can recite Latin and Ancient Greek as well, and that’s just a standard comprehensive that 25% of students go to.

I did Latin and Greek at school, in the intervening 25 yrs I've yet to find any practical use for what I learned- let alone thinking it might qualify me to become Prime Minister. As for doing it university, thats not intelligence, thats rote learning loads of things that you will never, ever have any real use for.

Actually I still remember bits now- puella est territus per lupus- the girl was shit scared of a wolf

 

[Ring Of Steel]

That's the main problem with him tbh. Even then, broad brushstrokes and vision aren't so bad if you surround yourself with the right people...

I agree with your point however its far from the main problem, I'd say being a pathological liar is another main problem.

 

[Sick Boy]

The Tories, but Johnson team in particular, have always been excellent in digital and reputation management.