Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (118 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

So now you are kind of saying I might have a point, but that I just shouldn't care about it?

You can care about it if you want that a your prerogative. There's nothing wrong with that.
I'm just far more concerned with What's going on here.

 

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Well for starters the USA has got quite a lot of criticism on here and rightly so seeing as they're the worst on the planet. In the other cases, it's probably because we're British so have focused on what goes on in this country lest it go even more on a tangent than it already has. I reject the idea though that it's all about hitting the Tories-they're in charge and have fucked up. We could discuss Turkey sending infected refugees across the Greek border but it's probably of much less interest because it won't affect anyone here.

I'm not saying you're wrong with what you have said, but the US generally gets a lot of criticism anyway because of Trump.

Again though, I'm talking mainly about world news. We are run by buffoons but my God don't people want to hammer it home.

 

[Blind-Faith]

So when Boris gave his speech on that Sunday night , the R was between .5 and .9 . Now we’re being told it’s between .7 and 1. Starting to creep up slightly already.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

But this is our country and therefore our main concern
It works the other way in that countries who have done a great job of controlling it don't get mentioned that often either.

I have a daughter working as a carer who was struggling to get PPE, their are people on here with relatives who work for the NHS, people with young kids that are being returned to return to s to, Why would we be more concerned with What is going on in Sweden or Germany?

Again, I'm not arguing about anyone's comments about the UK. I agree with a lot of them.

I just personally feel like on the world stage people like the hammer us. I wouldn't mind as the UK is going downhill in my view, but other countries get away with similar stuff as our sins.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm not saying you're wrong with what you have said, but the US generally gets a lot of criticism anyway because of Trump.

Again though, I'm talking mainly about world news. We are run by buffoons but my God don't people want to hammer it home.

Trump is getting the most and quite rightly, he's talking about taking ineffective drugs on national broadcasts. If it seems like the UK and USA are getting the bulk of criticism, it's because they're two of the worst countries in the world for handling this disease and also both major economies. Do you think we have an anti-UK agenda or something?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Trump is getting the most and quite rightly, he's talking about taking ineffective drugs on national broadcasts. If it seems like the UK and USA are getting the bulk of criticism, it's because they're two of the worst countries in the world for handling this disease and also both major economies. Do you think we have an anti-UK agenda or something?

I'm generally a bit fed up of the UK myself but I really feel (especially as someone that travels a hell of a lot normally) that a lot of people do like to kick us in.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm generally a bit fed up of the UK myself but I really feel (especially as someone that travels a hell of a lot normally) that a lot of people do like to kick us in.

Well that's because as a country we don't have a particularly glamorous history, with some noteworthy exceptions. I'd say more but I'll probably be called sneering or condescending by the same types who create the bad image you're unhappy about.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Priti Patel won't let me visit a country with hardly any cases but wants to send me back to school in the worst country on the continent. Makes sense.

 

[chiefdave]

What false fucking information, I said we tested more than yesterday which we did? What’s false about that?!?!?

This weeks numbers are:

Monday 67,409
Tuesday unavailable due technical issue with data collection system
Wednesday 60,744
Thursday 67,681
Friday 80,297

So a bit of an increase today but nowhere near the 100K promised every day by the first of this month let alone the 200K a day promised by the first of next month - only 9 days to go and 5 of those are weekend / bank holiday.

 

[chiefdave]

What is an acceptable death rate, in your view?

Sir Patrick Vallance said a "good outcome" would be keeping deaths below 20,000. The FT modelling, which is a cautious estimate so if anything likely to be lower than the true number, put excess deaths currently at 63,600 so I think we're way past what anyone could say was acceptable or a good outcome.

 

[chiefdave]

No, I said across the world the UK gets worse press than Sweden on this.

Compare that with Sweden, and whilst I have seen critical articles, it is nowhere near on the scale than what we have had.

I've seen plenty of criticism of Swedens stance so its definitely out there. We're always going to see more about the UK as that is what is more likely to be discussed given it directly impacts us.

The other thing is compare what is being criticised. Sweden are being questioned on their approach but not how they are relaying their message to the population or implementing their approach. Here its not just questions about the approach being taken its how badly they are putting the information across (on multiple occasions the government have been shown to be misleading the public) and how badly they are implementing it.

 

[Ian1779]

That’s why I said 0?

I’m not talking about you directly to be fair... but people are happy to talk about ‘calculated risk’ when their own calculated is zero. MP’s insisting kids should go back to school but not a single child of an MP in a private school will go back. Public transport is packed - not one of those fuckers is catching the tube into Westminster.
However fan boys of these clowns lap it up...

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I’m not talking about you directly to be fair... but people are happy to talk about ‘calculated risk’ when their own calculated is zero. MP’s insisting kids should go back to school but not a single child of an MP in a private school will go back. Public transport is packed - not one of those fuckers is catching the tube into Westminster.
However fan boys of these clowns lap it up...

But we can’t sit in lockdown forever or until a vaccine is found? We need to find a way

 

[Ian1779]

But we can’t sit in lockdown forever or until a vaccine is found? We need to find a way

No one said we could...

Ive got an idea that seems to have caught on in other countries, it’s called test track and isolate.

For a country that supposedly needed to make its own way in the world as the EU was holding us back - we seem to have made ourselves simply look like the world clowns....

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

No one said we could...

Ive got an idea that seems to have caught on in other countries, it’s called test track and isolate.

For a country that supposedly needed to make its own way in the world as the EU was holding us back - we seem to have made ourselves simply look like the world clowns....

From June the 1st we will be able to!!!!

 

[chiefdave]

From June the 1st we will be able to!!!!

Government admits NHS app will not be ready for launch of contact tracing scheme
Not to worry, we won't have an app like everywhere else in the world. We'll get loads of people in to do it manually.
Coronavirus: contact-tracing applicants in England wrongly told hiring paused

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I have genuinely found this weeks figures a bit depressing. I honestly expected them to be better than they have been.

I thought they might be a little bit worse as it was around now I expected the VE day celebrations to start showing in the figures. More concerned over what it will be like at the start of June as the lockdown easing starts to show.

 

[fernandopartridge]

But we can’t sit in lockdown forever or until a vaccine is found? We need to find a way

That's true but you don't send kids back to school when the infection rate is nowhere near under control, and there are nothing in place to stop a second wave at all.

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[Ian1779]

From June the 1st we will be able to!!!!

3 months and 35K deaths too late

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But we can’t sit in lockdown forever or until a vaccine is found? We need to find a way

What's the way?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Probably because Sweden is up front and very clearly about its strategy. The U.K. should be no where near as bad as it is considering that our government are claiming lockdown etc. That’s why the U.K. is getting scrutinised in the world press.

I think there probably should be more focus on Sweden's approach (which seems to have been a terrible choice and one we seemed very keen to do something similar to early on).

Our approach has changed depending on which way the wind is blowing, has been extremely confusing and unclear, lacking proper leadership because Johnson cares about being popular (mainly because it's the only thing he has going for him) but worse of all is the attempts to cover up or lie about what has been happening. Tests, PPE, care homes etc. They've set it up to push the blame onto the medical/science team saying "we were following their advice" when it seems we weren't or at the very least were arguing about it so it got delayed costing us precious time. Then the change of 'stay at home' so it could be pushed onto the public failing to use 'common sense' if infections rise.

The one thing we seem to have learnt is that they're the masters of fucking up and making sure someone else takes the fall.

 

[clint van damme]

oh dear, oh dear.

Police spoke to Dominic Cummings after Durham trip in lockdown

the talking testicle has broke at least 4 of his own rules there

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

What's the way?

Track and trace and the app is going to be in place and ready for June 1st boris has said....whats your way then staying in lockdown all year?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

3 months and 35K deaths too late

Yes it was too late should have been ready at least a month ago

 

[clint van damme]

Track and trace and the app is going to be in place and ready for June 1st boris has said....whats your way then staying in lockdown all year?

you have to be on the wind up

 

[David O'Day]

From June the 1st we will be able to!!!!

Really? Straight away?

With an app that isn't working yet?

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[chiefdave]

Track and trace and the app is going to be in place and ready for June 1st boris has said....whats your way then staying in lockdown all year?

And only a matter of hours after Johnson had stated it would be ready for June 1st we had this.

The NHS smartphone app for tracking people who have been in contact with Covid-19 patients will not be ready for 1 June, when the next stage of the government’s relaxation of lockdown is due to begin, Downing Street has confirmed.

Speaking late on Tuesday, junior health minister, Lord Bethell, indicated that the government was no longer trying to get the app: “We have therefore changed the emphasis of our communications and plans to put human-contact tracing at the beginning of our plans and to regard the app as something that will come later in support,” he said.

Asked whether Lord Bethell’s comments were correct, Mr Johnson’s spokesperson told a Westminster virtual media briefing: “I wouldn’t disagree with that. I think that’s straightforward.”

 

[Deleted member 5849]

And only a matter of hours after Johnson had stated it would be ready for June 1st we had this.

So @SkyBlueDom26 what's the way?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Really? Straight away?

With an app that isn't working yet?

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Your like a broken record, repeating the same stuff every post......let’s wait and see if he delivers it for when he’s said in a week

 

[clint van damme]

so much for hydroxychloroquine. Study published in the Lancet today, looks like it does more harm that good.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31174-0/fulltext

here's the summary:

"The findings from Mehra and colleagues' study add to preliminary reports suggesting that regimens of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, are not useful and could be harmful in hospitalised patients with COVID-19."

 

[David O'Day]

Your like a broken record, repeating the same stuff every post......let’s wait and see if he delivers it for when he’s said in a week

I'm like a broken record for repeating stories based on the words of the people behind the app?

This from the man that parrots everything Boris Johnson says.

Also answer the question

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[SkyBlueDom26]

So @SkyBlueDom26 what's the way?

Give it a fucking rest how the fuck am I meant to know? Only thing I can think of is the track and trace which is working everywhere else, can you not read?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Give it a fucking rest how the fuck am I meant to know?

Bit of a change in tack in five minutes once you realised you were too distracted in sucking Johnson's Johnson to realise what you were saying was bollocks.

So... you now, I assume, accept you've been a bit of a cockwomble this evening. That's progress at least.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Sad state of affairs when stuttering and stumbling thought non-answers is considered a score draw.

Well in that case, we get alot of score draws on SBT .

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

How many nurses and care workers are there?

And how many clap for nurses and care workers on Thursday Nights.