Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (292 Viewers)

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The EU have now taken the AstraZeneca contract offline.

Oh dear.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Brazil 212m population have 6m vaccines ordered.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Exactly correct.

People can play semantics all they want, if we were still in the EU we would have been pushed in that direction as well. The fact we aren't is exactly why we are months ahead of other countries. Anyone trying to say brexit didn't play a part needs to give their head a wobble, but I expect they know the truth deep down.

Yes and no, but the member states have always been able to get the vaccines in early.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Yes and no, but the member states have always been able to get the vaccines in early.

 

[Grendel]

Merkel leading the tanks into Estonia if they emergency approved?

No just making sure they are aware any eu support for projects and any German manufacture Contracts may disappear - it’s what many of us have known about the Eu for years. It’s a fourth reich not of military might but economic dominance

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

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I’m not wrong though am I?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No just making sure they are aware any eu support for projects and any German manufacture Contracts may disappear - it’s what many of us have known about the Eu for years. It’s a fourth reich not of military might but economic dominance

Haha back to the 4th Reich again

 

[PVA]

Exactly correct.

People can play semantics all they want, if we were still in the EU we would have been pushed in that direction as well. The fact we aren't is exactly why we are months ahead of other countries. Anyone trying to say brexit didn't play a part needs to give their head a wobble, but I expect they know the truth deep down.

You haven't responded to me pointing out this is false in the EU thread so I'll say it again.

It's false. As Brighton Sky Blue has pointed out.

It has nothing to do with Brexit and we could have gotten the vaccines early if we were still in the EU.

Don't believe everything Matt Hancock tells you.

 

[PVA]

Haha back to the 4th Reich again

Utterly pathetic. Spoken like a true flag shagger. Not surprising coming from him though. We all know what he thinks of foreigners, Europeans in particular.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The EU have now taken the AstraZeneca contract offline.

Oh dear.

SBT has a copy though

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Utterly pathetic. Spoken like a true flag shagger. Not surprising coming from him though. We all know what he thinks of foreigners, Europeans in particular.

I’m sure without googling he can tell me what the first two reichs were about

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

SBT has a copy though

SBT is probably the best place to go to for legal understanding.

With all the shit we have had with SISU over the years I think we are considerably more qualified than your average folk!

 

[fernandopartridge]

Exactly correct.

People can play semantics all they want, if we were still in the EU we would have been pushed in that direction as well. The fact we aren't is exactly why we are months ahead of other countries. Anyone trying to say brexit didn't play a part needs to give their head a wobble, but I expect they know the truth deep down.

We would have secured an opt out as we tended to do for most other things.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You haven't responded to me pointing out this is false in the EU thread so I'll say it again.

It's false. As Brighton Sky Blue has pointed out.

It has nothing to do with Brexit and we could have gotten the vaccines early if we were still in the EU.

Don't believe everything Matt Hancock tells you.

I stopped replying on that thread because people were getting a little bit shouty, although now I am seeing them starting to come round to what I was trying to say. You are making yourself look more and more silly though.

As I said, you can play semantics all you want. If we were still in the EU, there is no chance we would be in the same position as we are now for a multitude of reasons, some of which Grendel has explained on this very page.

 

[PVA]

I stopped replying on that thread because people were getting a little bit shouty, although now I am seeing them starting to come round to what I was trying to say. You are making yourself look more and more silly though.

As I said, you can play semantics all you want. If we were still in the EU, there is no chance we would be in the same position as we are now for a multitude of reasons, some of which Grendel has explained on this very page.

You claimed " The reason we were able to go faster was because we were not part of the EMA APA, which prevents EU participants from procuring outside of EMA approval. Why weren't we? Brexit."

This is false. I'm not playing semantics, what you have said is false.

I'm not making myself look silly by pointing out facts (though actually maybe that is considered silly by Leavers).

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I stopped replying on that thread because people were getting a little bit shouty, although now I am seeing them starting to come round to what I was trying to say. You are making yourself look more and more silly though.

As I said, you can play semantics all you want. If we were still in the EU, there is no chance we would be in the same position as we are now for a multitude of reasons, some of which Grendel has explained on this very page.

They aren’t semantics we used emergency approval to start issuing an unlicensed vaccine, same as any EU state could do. Where you should be focussing though is that the EMA will take longer to approve than the MHRA, because of the sprawling beauracracy

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I’m not wrong though am I?

You're not. I don't quite see why people are so desperate to suggest you are...

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Anyone else completely and utterly sick of lockdown now?

 

[Otis]

Prisons minister on BBC this morning:

'The government has been totally transparent through out This pandemic'

How many people have died of covid in prison?

'I have those figures but we're not putting them in the public domain'

Fucking hell. She's a government minister.

I know someone who works for the prison service. She doesn't know how many exactly, but says it is a lot.

 

[David O'Day]

SBT has a copy though

The contract was under an NDA that AZ haven't waived

 

[Skybluefaz]

Anyone else completely and utterly sick of lockdown now?

Yes, I'm exhausted with it tbh.

 

[David O'Day]

The Janssen single dose sounds promising


Belgian company though

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I’m sure without googling he can tell me what the first two reichs were about

I'm pretty sure one was something to do with Scooby Doo being scared wasn't it?

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I would like my vaccine as soon as possible and if that means somebody in Europe missing out so be it, I am happy to be selfish on this, we seem to be fairly organised and the eu held back by people in office who will make sure they get theirs quickly.

 

[Grendel]

I’m sure without googling he can tell me what the first two reichs were about

Reichs are empires so it’s not hard to work out.

Also of course many countries in the iron curtain had parliaments and autonomy as well...

 

[Grendel]

I think Tony Robinson is actually PVA

 

[David O'Day]

I would like my vaccine as soon as possible and if that means somebody in Europe missing out so be it, I am happy to be selfish on this, we seem to be fairly organised and the eu held back by people in office who will make sure they get theirs quickly.

No the EU are being held back by a lower than expected yield in the bioreactor of an AZ plant in Belgium.

Whatever your opinions on their actions let's try and keep this truthful and not get all faragey about this.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Reichs are empires so it’s not hard to work out.

Also of course many countries in the iron curtain had parliaments and autonomy as well...

I think you will agree that most connotations of ‘reich’ are due with a certain toothbrush moustache fellow and probably not with Charlemagne...

 

[David O'Day]

I think you will agree that most connotations of ‘reich’ are due with a certain toothbrush moustache fellow and probably not with Charlemagne...

Yeah 99.9% of the time if you say Reich you aren't alluding to the Holy Roman Empire or Imperial German Empire

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

No the EU are being held back by a lower than expected yield in the bioreactor of an AZ plant in Belgium.

Whatever your opinions on their actions let's try and keep this truthful and not get all faragey about this.

If they had it tomorrow are they ready to start using it then?

This whole thing he has been a farce here
but the vaccine seems to be something they have got right up to now.

 

[David O'Day]

If they had it tomorrow are they ready to start using it then?

This whole thing he has been a farce here
but the vaccine seems to be something they have got right up to now.

That's not the issue they have is it. It's about the the amount the will received during the whole of Q1 2021 not what they have been delivered up to now.

 

[clint van damme]

J&J single-shot vaccine results are out:

* 66% effective
* 85% effective against severe disease

I'd have to hear what the experts say before weighing in about whether this is brilliant, a disaster, or somewhere in between. But clearly there's a huge range of efficacy across the various vaccines.

Sounds promising. Expected second half of 2021.
Imagine if the top 9 categories of the most vulnerable are done by then and all the young pups can get done with a single shot.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You claimed " The reason we were able to go faster was because we were not part of the EMA APA, which prevents EU participants from procuring outside of EMA approval. Why weren't we? Brexit."

This is false. I'm not playing semantics, what you have said is false.

I'm not making myself look silly by pointing out facts (though actually maybe that is considered silly by Leavers).

It isn't false at all.

The only people looking silly are the ones that think brexit had absolutely nothing to do with where we are with the vaccine roll out.

 

[PVA]

It isn't false at all.

The only people looking silly are the ones that think brexit had absolutely nothing to do with where we are with the vaccine roll out.

It is false ffs.

The Boss Of The UK's Vaccine Regulator Has Contradicted Matt Hancock’s Claim We Approved A Covid Jab Before The EU Due To Brexit

Matt Hancock’s claim the UK has approved a vaccine for Covid-19 before the EU because of Brexit has been contradicted by the chief executive of the...

www.politicshome.com

From the article:
"But it appears the UK’s decision to approve the vaccine ahead of the EU is down to the use of a longstanding provision which allows an individual country to diverge from the EMA in the case of urgent public need.

And as the UK is still operating under the EU regulatory framework until the end of the Brexit transition period on 31 December the decision on the Pfizer jab was not due to the decision to leave the continental trading bloc."


Matt Hancock in talking shit shocker.

Can you point me in the direction of a source which says the opposite?

Can you explain how Hungary managed it despite being in the EU?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Vaccinations back up again which is obviously great news (443k)

Case numbers still stubbornly high (29k), frustrating when in lockdown, schools off etc however at least dropping a fair bit week in week (30%). Also as a percentage of tests taken its reduced massively. Was about 10% at peak however there was 750k tests yesterday so good reduction (still don’t know about tests/people tested but as a comparison it’s a lot better)