Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (14 Viewers)

Ian1779 · Apr 11, 2020

Grendel said:
Boris has got the games and movies out. Good job he’s not watching Outbreak with Dustin Hoffman or some on here would be having a breakdown

Coronavirus: Boris Johnson 'playing games and watching films' in hospital

Im pleased he’s on the mend...

Do I think it’s a waste of column inches to know if he’s been watching LOTR.... yes I do.

Grendel · Apr 11, 2020

Ominous

African swine fever outbreak reported in western Poland

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
I see the fictional TV show Holby City has donated it’s stock of ventilators to the nightingale hospital in London. Beggars belief.

Is that real?

And how are those 10,000 we ordered from Dyson getting on?

shmmeee · Apr 11, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
That’s not even the living wage in London is it?

£10.75 in London.

shmmeee · Apr 11, 2020

Ian1779 said:
Im pleased he’s on the mend...

Do I think it’s a waste of column inches to know if he’s been watching LOTR.... yes I do.

LOTR very on brand for Johnson, surprised he’s doing foreign muck like Sudoku though, should be doing good British crosswords.

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

Grendel said:
Ominous

African swine fever outbreak reported in western Poland

that’s an incredible stat about 40% pigs in China dead- they do love their pork over there

Ian1779 · Apr 11, 2020

shmmeee said:
LOTR very on brand for Johnson, surprised he’s doing foreign muck like Sudoku though, should be doing good British crosswords.

The Times Cryptic no less...
When he’s finished in Downing St he can get a job at MI5.

Ian1779 · Apr 11, 2020

Meanwhile.....

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

Ian1779 said:
Meanwhile.....

If that’s a straight quote and isn’t twisted then Matt Hancock needs to be sacked on the spot, at minimum. Don’t like the word but I feel it’s deserved here- he’s a dangerous incompetent c*nt.

skybluetony176 · Apr 11, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Is that real?

And how are those 10,000 we ordered from Dyson getting on?

Apparently. They also offered to donate Hugh Quarshie to deputise for Matt Hancock but he was apparently overqualified. The second bit isn’t true, although Hugh Quarshie probably is better qualified than Matt Hancock.

PVA · Apr 11, 2020

Ian1779 said:
Meanwhile.....

Bloody hell. Just unreal.

I await something about Italy or France from the usual crowd, but that's just appalling.

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

PVA said:
Bloody hell. Just unreal.

I await something about Italy or France from the usual crowd, but that's just appalling.

I would think it’s important to clarify whether he actually said that, it seems too stupid and bloodthirsty even for him

Otis · Apr 11, 2020

Can anyone explain what happened with SARS? I remember it, but it barely touched these shores did it.

That was a Coronavirus, so what happened there and how long was it before they managed to get a vaccine?

There were a lot fewer deaths too.

What was different?

Otis · Apr 11, 2020

PVA said:
Bloody hell. Just unreal.

I await something about Italy or France from the usual crowd, but that's just appalling.

What? Why would he even contemplate saying that?

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

PVA · Apr 11, 2020

Otis said:
What? Why would he even contemplate saying that?

Because he's out of his depth and people out of their depth don't do well under live questioning.

You can get away with lies or mistakes when talking about Brexit or elections, but when people are dying lies and mistakes suddenly look even worse.

PVA · Apr 11, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:

He is a Tory mouthpiece.

Of course the strategy is working, locking down and social distancing was always going to reduce the spread - even the most ardent Tory supporter would admit that.

The question is not whether it's working, the question is whether it was done soon enough.

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

I like this one

Otis · Apr 11, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I like this one

I'm always a little apprehensive when I hear about any German army coming into Britain.

PVA · Apr 11, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I like this one

And this one.

Those nasty evil Europeans eh.

SkyBlue Snowflake · Apr 11, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
You’ve come to the right place Mr Snowflake

SkyBlue Snowflake · Apr 11, 2020

Yes I feel should fit in just fine, more than happy to abuse random strangers from behind my keyboard

Skybluefaz · Apr 11, 2020

Otis said:
Can anyone explain what happened with SARS? I remember it, but it barely touched these shores did it.

That was a Coronavirus, so what happened there and how long was it before they managed to get a vaccine?

There were a lot fewer deaths too.

What was different?

I believe warm weather killed that off to a large extent. That's just from memory from something I read. Could be completely wrong.

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

Ross Kemp seems to be of the belief that filming people dying for our amusement is just what’s required at this stage

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 11, 2020

Marty said:
It's a procurement issue is it not? I suggested last night we should bypass the yanks and produce it ourselves. If they won't release the products we need, they have left us no choice really.

Assuming we have the raw materials readily available to do so.

But if there was any doubt before this on not to trust the Americans in a trade agreement it must surely have disappeared now.

Seized a load of ventilators destined for export that had been ordered and paid for but when India refused to export the malaria drug they were met with threats from the US until they caved. I expect similar to happen with Pakistan now they've banned export of it.

PVA · Apr 11, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Ross Kemp seems to be of the belief that filming people dying for our amusement is just what’s required at this stage

That certainly didn't get the reaction he was hoping/expecting, what a tool.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 11, 2020

westcountry_skyblue said:
I totally agree politics aside we need a fairer society and now this has happened around the world maybe we will get it.
Been out walking these past Few weeks and the amount of people you pass and say hello is fantastic.
Me and the Mrs even got chatting to a guy yesterday that was a vicar( dressed in civies) and he said a prayer for us.
Very uplifting experience!!

At a social level I'm hopeful it will.

But at other levels it won't lead to a fairer society at all. If anything it'll make them worse. They'll feel vulnerable and hoard even more to protect themselves where possible.

JRM's investment company is playing up the opportunities to make large amounts of money from this due to the massive volatility.

skybluetony176 · Apr 11, 2020

Yeah but apart from the ventilators what have the Germans ever done for us?

Furnish us with a language?

Oh fuck off

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

I need more beer. So to sum up, seems like the situation is currently:

1. Boris and the government fucked up so badly that 10,000 people and rising died, with the U.K. on course to be worst hit in Europe. Boris almost died himself due to his own carelessness and stupidity.

2. Boris is now a hero for surviving, whereas the 10,000 dead are barely mentioned in the media.

4. China are the great evil who lie about death figures and don’t care about their own people... we deliberately withhold how many healthcare workers have died, that’s ok.

5. it’s nurses’ own fault for overusing PPE

Boozy Easter coming up

Ring Of Steel · Apr 11, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
At a social level I'm hopeful it will.

But at other levels it won't lead to a fairer society at all. If anything it'll make them worse. They'll feel vulnerable and hoard even more to protect themselves where possible.

JRM's investment company is playing up the opportunities to make large amounts of money from this due to the massive volatility.

you can already see it- it’s just making the right more right and the left more left- the divisions in this country will take a generation to fix.

skybluetony176 · Apr 11, 2020

Otis said:
Can anyone explain what happened with SARS? I remember it, but it barely touched these shores did it.

That was a Coronavirus, so what happened there and how long was it before they managed to get a vaccine?

There were a lot fewer deaths too.

What was different?

I think it was as simple as it wasn’t as contagious and had a lower mortality rate if you did catch it.

Marty · Apr 11, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Assuming we have the raw materials readily available to do so.

But if there was any doubt before this on not to trust the Americans in a trade agreement it must surely have disappeared now.

Seized a load of ventilators destined for export that had been ordered and paid for but when India refused to export the malaria drug they were met with threats from the US until they caved. I expect similar to happen with Pakistan now they've banned export of it.

That's correct, but you do tend to find sourcing the raw materials a hell of a lot easier then a finished product.

I don't want to be drawn into a debate about trade deals and such like, simple fact is the yanks can do what they want, too strong economically and militarily.

shmmeee · Apr 11, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:

Corbyn really drove this guy over the edge to full nutcase territory.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 11, 2020

Grendel said:
They are dying in every country. The WHO believes the world is only at 60% required levels. As someone on here said all businesses operate on JIT supply metric these days and that probably has to be looked at

I agree but there's no probably about it. Planning for a massive global health crisis that could kill hundreds of thousands or potentially millions of people should not be approached in the same way as building a car. It needs to be there ready to go from the off - there won't be time to produce and source it before it's too late (esp if people are getting sick and production/supply is affected further) as we're finding out.

If I can figure that out with basic logic and general knowledge you'd think those with access to experts would be able to. But they just ignore the warnings and carry on.

We don't have the argument about the nuclear deterrent by saying we'll start to enrich the uranium when the enemy presses the button. Too late.

But before we know it it'll be back to "we don't have the money, cuts must be made" etc. But hey, we stood clapping the NHS workers when we needed then so that's fine.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 11, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
How could you have herd immunity policy in any country where there is no vaccine?

By letting it develop naturally in terms of antibodies in the general population as it spreads.

Only minor downside to that is it'd kill a huge number of people :emoji_thinking:

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