This thread is still a shit show then...
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Simple fact is that successive governments have been trying to do this for decades and your over simplified view of the world is actually very immature.Standard mature response as usual.
You know it mate.Not now playboy Tom is back....
Simple fact is that successive governments have been trying to do this for decades and your over simplified view of the world is actually very immature.
Most people on benefits need it. Clamping down on cheats is often used as an excuse to cut back on those who need it, without people complaining, rather than an active desire to root out the few.
Board and lodgings is usually taken out of what you earn from piecework too. Simple fact is that most British people won’t move temporarily to another part of the country to take home less than minimum wage (legally) when they have the option to stay at home and take home at least the minimum wage. It’s a no brainier for British people and that’s a compliment not a criticism.People don't like piecework. Most of the seasonal harvesting work is that. Also comes down to geography in many cases in having to get large groups of people from urban to rural areas on a daily basis.
I don't know why we don't go full on down the euthenasia route .
What a drag on society that generation are .
Health,housing, monetary support, what a drain and lag on the test of society.
????Why do you always great stuff into posts that isn't there?
This long winded argument/discussion you've being having with other posters, Astute, just demonstrates to me perfectly why people will be waiting a long time if they want a Labour government ever again. I've seen people tearing strips out of floating voters, out of less left wing Labour voters... people they need onside to win an election. For a lot of people it seems to be project Corbyn or nothing.????
What isn't there?
Do you mean those who brought in 150 workers because there isn't anyone in the UK that would do it? Look back in his post.
It is amazing what is missed by those normally agreed with on here.
Yeah, was thinking about the motives around ending immigrationIsn’t that pretty much the Government’s strategy right now... especially for those people in care homes. Disgraceful.
Don't speak too soon. Unemployment is going to shoot up in the next 6 months. Most of Europe is going to be hit hard. And those reliant on exporting to other EU countries will then be hit hard as there will be less money around to purchase what they normally do.Do we actually have enough slack in the British workforce to make it up though? We have had record lows in unemployment for a good while now and agri jobs have a lot of competition. People have choices and the right to choose whatever job they A) want to apply for and B) what they want to accept.
Oh yes. The boomers that have had the best of everything.Yep, and most of the “long term unemployed scroungers” are 50-64 year old who can’t get hired due to ageism: https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/news/articles/over-50s-more-likely-to-face-long-term-unemployment
Yet again people making decisions based on fairy tales sold to them by the tabloids and not the real world.
Exactly.This long winded argument/discussion you've being having with other posters, Astute, just demonstrates to me perfectly why people will be waiting a long time if they want a Labour government ever again. I've seen people tearing strips out of floating voters, out of less left wing Labour voters... people they need onside to win an election. For a lot of people it seems to be project Corbyn or nothing.
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What isn't there?
Do you mean those who brought in 150 workers because there isn't anyone in the UK that would do it? Look back in his post.
It is amazing what is missed by those normally agreed with on here.
The amount of money gained by the Treasury if they stop one tax-evading millionaire would account for countless ‘benefit cheats’
Wasn't you that I quoted.I merely pointed out we were flying in workers. Nothing more, nothing less.
If they're doing a job for somebody they should get paid, never mind 'earning' their UC.No what the government should of done was select 150 or however many needed of the long term dole dossing scroungers we have here and make them earn some of their universal credit.
It's significantly higher than thatThink the country loses something like 3 billion to evasion and 4 billion to avoidance or it may be the other way round.
That's a fair old whack.
Yep it's all relative.Board and lodgings is usually taken out of what you earn from piecework too. Simple fact is that most British people won’t move temporarily to another part of the country to take home less than minimum wage (legally) when they have the option to stay at home and take home at least the minimum wage. It’s a no brainier for British people and that’s a compliment not a criticism.
Exactly.
It is one way or no way. Just look at the latest.
Boomers are rich. They had all the money. Boo.
The most people that are on benefits are those of the age called boomers. But because they are poor they are suddenly not called boomers. And most lap it up.
Have tried to explain the difference between having left Labour but not getting a Labour government and taking the best parts of everything when we can and getting elected. But the excuses come out. It is a constant one sided rant. I fear we won't have a Labour government for a long time.
The 50-64 age group barely equates to a third of baby boomer generations.Oh yes. The boomers that have had the best of everything.
Rich when needed but poor when needed. This link is closer to the truth though.
We had people who applied for a job. Have you always took every job you’ve applied for?Wasn't you that I quoted.
A company is flying in workers. We? We had people who wanted these jobs.
It's significantly higher than that
It does raise economic issues for the future though (not the euthanasia bit).I don't know why we don't go full on down the euthenasia route .
What a drag on society that generation are .
Health,housing, monetary support, what a drain and lag on the rest of society.
you've got a figure for the outright tax evasion, then there's a figure for the "legal" evasion (like Google, Amazon etc moving their daily income offshore to tax friendly environments)My figures were estimates from HMRC.
Just googled it and other sources go as high as 70 billion.
I'd say it's it's pretty much nailed on that you're correct,.It's significantly higher, I wonder by how much?
you've got a figure for the outright tax evasion, then there's a figure for the "legal" evasion (like Google, Amazon etc moving their daily income offshore to tax friendly environments)
It does raise economic issues for the future though (not the euthanasia bit).
Companies investing billions in extending life spans = normally at the "unproducive" stages of our lives.
Getting to the situation where around half of our life spans will not be spent working (paying into the system) 18-22 years "getting ready" to join the workforce and maybe 15-20 plus years retired. Despite our best efforts we are going to be a financial issue for our kids and grandkids.
1/3 of life spans maybe?
Question, why has so much been spent on improving medicine, reducing some pollution and encouraging some healthy lifestyles?
What generation will be a financial burden on the kids? The baby boomers generally pay for care if they have the means. The state picks up the tab otherwise.
Don’t get me wrong. I think the young of today are going to have a real struggle without worrying about supporting elders.
We need 70000 workers though. By your own admission only 25000 Brits applied. We need to fly them in regardless.Wasn't you that I quoted.
A company is flying in workers. We? We had people who wanted these jobs.
We get it - in fact most people generally agree with your point.
But we’re not the ones that need to be convinced. Tell us how you intend to change a mindset of people that will actively vote NOT in their own interests?
Had the same thought, it's not a tactic that's been working well.Probably don’t patronise them that they should know better and you know what’s good for them
1/3? Does that mean we're going to live into our 100s? That's a way a way surely.1/3 of life spans maybe?
Question, why has so much been spent on improving medicine, reducing some pollution and encouraging some healthy lifestyles?
What generation will be a financial burden on the kids? The baby boomers generally pay for care if they have the means. The state picks up the tab otherwise.
Don’t get me wrong. I think the young of today are going to have a real struggle without worrying about supporting elders.
I talked about the Coventrian living in a £500k house - are you drunk?
Would you want 16 year old working class school leavers to aspire to live in half million property?
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