Astute
Well-Known Member
And which country has the most visitors that could have brought the virus in?
And which country has the most visitors that could have brought the virus in?for those interested, here’s a comparison between U.K. and a country that started with the same underfunded health system and paucity of facilities- the thread shows pretty clearly the differences
In my mind there’s little doubt they could have done something sooner. I’ll give you an example. My eldest daughter had symptoms the weekend before the lockdown (think it was just seasonal flu personally) Monday morning when I went to work the advice was she and she alone was to isolate for 7 days, by the time I left work at five we should all be isolating for 2 weeks. Why could that advice have not come Sunday night? How many people went to work Monday morning and then before they’d left to come home should have been self isolating for 2 weeks? Just no common sense has been displayed. You could argue that that advice should have come out a week or two earlier but personally I wouldn’t have been too hard on that but to let hundreds of thousands of potentially infected people to go to work on the Monday was just stupid. The reality didn’t change between 8am Monday morning and 4pm Monday afternoon. Common sense should have told them to make at least that call before people left the house on Monday morning.Saw that interview. Depressing stuff.
We definitely locked down too late. But as ever hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I just hope Johnson didn't ignore his medical team to go with advise given by Cummings because that would be unforgivable.
And which country has the most visitors that could have brought the virus in?
You see that’s my problem with hardcore labour voters,They just can’t see what us floating voters can.They haven’t got a problem - they have a very small issue.
Genuine question, as momentum are an independent group not run by the labour party how do they get rid out them?If Labour get rid of momentum and sort out their anti Semitic problem they’ll get my vote next time!!
I did smile at thatYeah gloves will transmit it just as easily, unless you change them for EVERY little thing you do.
Tesco made me laugh. Disinfect your trolley at the front door when you’ve already been pushing it around for 15 minutes. Yeah well done.
I agree. But my point also stands. The more international visitors you have the more chance you have of it actually taking a hold.read the thread- Ireland banned all St Patrick’s Day celebrations at the same time U.K. was welcoming in 60,000+ for Cheltenham and holding major concerts across the country
I'd imagine the party lawyers can only recommend not submitting it. I doubt they could instruct the party leader or those concerned not to.
As far as I'm concerned we have a man at the helm who has refused to reveal his financial backers and who has suppressed an important report, red flags going up everywhere.
I disagree on water. We should renationalise and get what is becoming an increasingly precious commodity under state ownership.
The water companies are constantly under performing and send fortunes out of the country in terms of dividends.
I agree about the mail and like your idea on community ran energy companies.
Don't think renationalising the energy companies was feasible.
Yeah gloves will transmit it just as easily, unless you change them for EVERY little thing you do.
Tesco made me laugh. Disinfect your trolley at the front door when you’ve already been pushing it around for 15 minutes. Yeah well done.
I agree. But my point also stands. The more international visitors you have the more chance you have of it actually taking a hold.
Which was always the point I tried to make. If you only look from the inside everything looks fine. Look at it like an outsider and you get a different perspective.You see that’s my problem with hardcore labour voters,They just can’t see what us floating voters can.
It’s one of the reasons Corbyn and his front bench could never be elected.
The last election and labours new team are a god send for this country as we now have an electable looking opposition.
Erm hello......you have even more of a chance if you take action sooner instead of telling people to wash their hands. That’s the point she’s making- two countries with massively intertwined cultures and actually very similar- one locked down sooner, the other didn’t, the results are pretty stark.
and she’s also right about the media- U.K. wants to play it down and talk about Boris, that appears to be it. Looking from the outside in if you went from the main news outlets you wouldn’t even know how many were dying and all the problems that there are. It’s absolutely amazing to see what the focus of attention is over there.
I meant in context of size - yet it’s still important to deal with. There is still more cases of anti-semitism in the Conservative party (which is naturally more of a home for Jewish people)It is an issue that is a massive problem. If it wasn't a problem and only a very small issue it wouldn't even be mentioned.
Not with the infection rate. When it’s in it’s in. Possibly would have only taken a handful of returning business people to start it in the U.K., at which point containment is needed and not cancelling things like ascot, concerts and delaying the closure of public places such as restaurants, bars and non essential shops was a failure. At least in part.I agree. But my point also stands. The more international visitors you have the more chance you have of it actually taking a hold.
Erm hello......
I said I agree with your point. So why try to force it upon me?
But I take it you still refuse to consider mine. The more international visitors you got from countries with the virus the more the chance of it spreading.
Which was always the point I tried to make. If you only look from the inside everything looks fine. Look at it like an outsider and you get a different perspective.
And this is why I say nobody was worth my vote last time.
I treat the trolly handle at my local Tesco with sanitiser before I touch it. Then treat it again with the Tesco provided stuff at the entrance to the shop.It’s not an important report.
I mean if starting from scratch obviously I’d have water nationalised, but I just think there’s bigger priorities for spending right now.
Morrison’s were the same. 200m has into the queue they give you a wipe. Why?
Serious question. Does the more radical factions and elements of the Tory Party put you of voting Tory in the same way? How about the language of the leader?You see that’s my problem with hardcore labour voters,They just can’t see what us floating voters can.
It’s one of the reasons Corbyn and his front bench could never be elected.
The last election and labours new team are a god send for this country as we now have an electable looking opposition.
Yeah gloves will transmit it just as easily, unless you change them for EVERY little thing you do.
Tesco made me laugh. Disinfect your trolley at the front door when you’ve already been pushing it around for 15 minutes. Yeah well done.
So why do Jewish people see it as a much bigger problem with Labour than the Tories?I meant in context of size - yet it’s still important to deal with. There is still more cases of anti-semitism in the Conservative party (which is naturally more of a home for Jewish people)
I don't think the crisis would be worse under Labour, but I don't see how it would have been any better. If this was predictable who can honestly say what steps they would have taken months ago at the last election. Yes, they might have pledged a shit load more dosh into the NHS ... but would it have paid for Captain Hindsight stockpiling for the current crisis, or just more staff and better wages?You said this crisis would be worse under Labour... with no discernible or credible evidence to back up that view. I’m calling it out because it’s a) pure whataboutery b) deflection and c) total bullshit.
It is a global emergency, and yes it has hit some countries very badly. But we had the jump on this, we had time to get our shit together. Herd Immunity is an ideology that sits perfectly in the Tory attitudes of fuck the poor.
The Tories own this... every single failure to prepare adequately sits solely with them and no-one else.
It’s not an important report.
I mean if starting from scratch obviously I’d have water nationalised, but I just think there’s bigger priorities for spending right now.
Morrison’s were the same. 200m has into the queue they give you a wipe. Why?
You see that’s my problem with hardcore labour voters,They just can’t see what us floating voters can.
It’s one of the reasons Corbyn and his front bench could never be elected.
The last election and labours new team are a god send for this country as we now have an electable looking opposition.
I said I agree twice. But you kept reiterating your point. I agreed the first time. I agreed the second time. I can't do much more than agree.I’m not disagreeing with anything you said- Why are you always accusing someone of being mean to you? I don’t see anyone being a dick towards you?
Or say out loud each time a franchise came to an end for whatever reason it would not be renewed. Nice, clear and precise. No chance of it being twisted by anyone.And this sort of proves the point on nationalisation policy.
Even those of us broadly behind it disagree with which sectors to target with the exception of rail which seemed to have a lot of support even among Tory voters.
It should have been a simple the railways are costing the tax payer this much we're going to renationalised and save that money message.
It was too broad.
Ireland has also just extended its Coronavirus lockdown into May. Let’s remember that this is a country in political limbo at the moment still waiting to form a government following its own GE showing more leadership than a government that won by a landslide some months earlier. That on its own just doesn’t add up.read the thread- Ireland banned all St Patrick’s Day celebrations at the same time U.K. was welcoming in 250,000+ for Cheltenham and holding major concerts across the country
and before the nationalists start frothing away- intention is to show what U.K. did differently and badly, not to somehow show Ireland is ‘better’, it’s not. Less stupid perhaps though.
Never heard of her before. Maybe that is a reason.But the new shadow cabinet has Rachael Reeves in yet suddenly no.one gives a fu k about antisemitism.
Why us that?
So why do Jewish people see it as a much bigger problem with Labour than the Tories?
PalestineSo why do Jewish people see it as a much bigger problem with Labour than the Tories?
There are many jewish people who still support labour.Because it's been weaponised.
And I don't agree that Jewish people do.
Some parts of the Jewish community do for sure. But the Jewish community isn't one entity with one opinion.
Johnson cosied up to the biggest antisemite leader in Europe, who incidentally has just gone full facist, and no one gave a fuck.
Palestine
There are many jewish people who still support labour.
I also find it antisemitic to see the Jewish community as 1 entity who always think the same thing.
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I saw an interview with a jewish author who was calling the jewish Corbyn supporter a self hating jew on tv.Yes you are right - but you had people from Jewish groups speaking out like they did. They wouldn’t even listen to people of their own community....
Never heard of her before. Maybe that is a reason.
I saw an interview with a jewish author who was calling the jewish Corbyn supporter a self hating jew on tv.
That is antisemitic
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