covcity4life
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Bad parenting all round. Cycle will continue
Bad parenting all round. Cycle will continueThey are having a baby together.
Yes, the bloke she said raped her. She's having a kid with him.
Both wrong uns
Not really, the guy hasn’t been found guilty. He’s entitled to return to earn a living doing whatever he feels.Seems this is an attempt to smooth the path ready for reintegrating him...
Football really doesn't help itself sometimes & finds increasingly more ways to alienate its fanbase.
Seems this is an attempt to smooth the path ready for reintegrating him...
Football really doesn't help itself sometimes & finds increasingly more ways to alienate its fanbase.
Not really, the guy hasn’t been found guilty. He’s entitled to return to earn a living doing whatever he feels.
clearly an unsavoury individual, but he’s free to return to live his life unless otherwise stated
There was voice recordings not video footage - he’s denied it was him. She has come out and defended the guy. I’m not saying it’s not him.There was literally footage of her telling him no and him saying ' I dont give a fuck im going to fuck you'. Along with kicking her up and down the house
But yea let him carry on, while we're at it shall we get Lee Hughes to murder someone else?
Look - again didn’t say he wasn’t, look up the thread I’ve pretty much gone through the system. You don’t know what happened after the audio stopped.He denies it was him
While she says Mason no
And he replies to Mason, saying no im gonna fuck ya
I thought you were on a wind up but evidently not
Decision was made a couple of weeks ago apparently. Today's statement is because of the leak though yes. Hopefully the backlash will make them think twice.I don't think that is smoothing the way for anything
There incorrect reports today that they had decided to let him stay so they needed to release something to ay "hold on a minute".
They are also waiting for the Women who are still at the world cup to return so they can involve them in the decision.
They are saying that is incorrect and no decision has been made. The recent story about involving the women's team does make me believe them.Decision was made a couple of weeks ago apparently. Today's statement is because of the leak though yes. Hopefully the backlash will make them think twice.
Goodwillie was a case that should have proceeded , sex between them was admitted and they even had the evidence from the bouncer saying she weren’t in any fit state to do anything let alone consent.As always it seems to matter not your character but your earning potential. He shouldn't be anywhere near a football pitch but someone will give him a contract because of the huge sums involved in football. I really hope its not us but imagine it will be abroad. I really can't see the global power of Utd finances risking it but who knows.
Compare with David Goodwillie who we were once linked with and he continues to get hounded out of everywhere and can'tearn. Not saying he shouldn't but less known, also not convicted, but ultimately less talented than Greenwood and so easier to dismiss.
They are saying that is incorrect and no decision has been made. The recent story about involving the women's team does make me believe them.
So basically you have a journalist saying one thing and the club saying that is incorrect.
Agree, far from defending him but both these are scum, just highlighting the difference between one with prospect and one not worth the risk. Being carefully managed PR.Goodwillie was a case that should have proceeded , sex between them was admitted and they even had the evidence from the bouncer saying she weren’t in any fit state to do anything let alone consent.
he was however “guilty” in the civil court, so the victim got a bit of a hollow victory
it's not thoughThink this is pretty clear & bloody good journalism, the likes of which you don't see so much anymore.
It's so baffling that the charges were dropped.View attachment 31500
No idea how some people defend this. If it was my daughter id have kicked the prick to within an inch of his life
And I guess we may never know what the CPS' "new material has come to light" comment is all about.It's so baffling that the charges were dropped.
I do think the case might be ongoing though. Is that right?
no, the case was dropped completely as she denies he was guilty of "attempted rape, assault, and controlling and coercive behaviour".It's so baffling that the charges were dropped.
I do think the case might be ongoing though. Is that right?
On the contrary, I think this is the kind of basic journalistic practice that the vast majority of decent journalists do every day. Offering the right of reply is just a basic thing - if tweeting long threads about the process impresses people so much, maybe journalists should do it more, perhaps people don’t realise how much work actually goes into these stories.Think this is pretty clear & bloody good journalism, the likes of which you don't see so much anymore.
Crossed wires here, I wasn't on about the explanation thread, I was on about the actual investigative journalism to get the story in the first place & I agree it is exactly what decent journalists do.On the contrary, I think this is the kind of basic journalistic practice that the vast majority of decent journalists do every day. Offering the right of reply is just a basic thing - if tweeting long threads about the process impresses people so much, maybe journalists should do it more, perhaps people don’t realise how much work actually goes into these stories.
Well the investigative journalism here is just that Crafton obviously has a source on Man Utd’s executive team who leaked the initial Greenwood decision to him (presumably to further their own agenda). In that sense it’s not much different from what someone like Fabrizio Romano also does, but even that involves more reporting than what we often get from local papers further down the league pyramid, so I take your point.Crossed wires here, I wasn't on about the explanation thread, I was on about the actual investigative journalism to get the story in the first place & I agree it is exactly what decent journalists do.
My point was the trend is for less of that kind of work in preference of clickbait, rehashed articles with no substance etc.
Cheers for that, DODno, the case was dropped completely as she denies he was guilty of "attempted rape, assault, and controlling and coercive behaviour".
I guess the issue for the CPS was although the recordings are of him saying he is going to do it he doesn't actually do anything in the recordings. The CPS in domestic abuse cases can actually proceed with the case even after the victim withdraws or denies the allegations but the CPS in this case took the view they couldn't get a conviction in this case.
*before anyone decides I am defending the player, I am not. I am simply talking about why the case against him was dropped.
It looks like he was trying to regain control of the story narrative as most of the further reporting by other outlets makes the clubs reply the main story.On the contrary, I think this is the kind of basic journalistic practice that the vast majority of decent journalists do every day. Offering the right of reply is just a basic thing - if tweeting long threads about the process impresses people so much, maybe journalists should do it more, perhaps people don’t realise how much work actually goes into these stories.
Is it possible they just think they wouldn’t get a conviction because her dropping the charges and any evidence of history of risky role play or something will make the jury lean towards not guilty anyway?no, the case was dropped completely as she denies he was guilty of "attempted rape, assault, and controlling and coercive behaviour".
I guess the issue for the CPS was although the recordings are of him saying he is going to do it he doesn't actually do anything in the recordings. The CPS in domestic abuse cases can actually proceed with the case even after the victim withdraws or denies the allegations but the CPS in this case took the view they couldn't get a conviction in this case.
*before anyone decides I am defending the player, I am not. I am simply talking about why the case against him was dropped.
... and the ref, assistants and VAR all say it's fine, play on or possibly send Greenwood off for simulation.Hope someone does some irreparable damage to his ankle in the first game he plays.
Nobody is defending him. As DoD stated she denied "attempted rape, assault, and controlling and coercive behaviour".View attachment 31500
No idea how some people defend this. If it was my daughter id have kicked the prick to within an inch of his life
I find the need for a conviction a strange take personally. There are countless cases of people committing a crime and not getting convicted for it. If your whole moral compass is based on complete faith in the justice system, then fair enough, but it's not a stance I can agree with. The audio is there for everyone to hear. Any 'we don't know what happened before/after' is just nonsense. He beat her up. If there was any evidence suggesting it was false allegations/it wasn't him in the audio, it would have come to light a long time ago. She took him back like many domestic abuse victims do. Especially when said person can have a huge influence on your 'status' or 'quality of life'.Nobody is defending him. As DoD stated she denied "attempted rape, assault, and controlling and coercive behaviour".
there is no visual evidence of this, there is no allegations. And despite the clearly unsettling nature of the transcript - you don’t know what has happened pre - or post transcript. (Hence the “new evidence came to light”)
is he a c**t - yes! But he’s not been convicted of anything nor is there any official allegations against him.
probably, the defence would likely call her as a witness as well.Is it possible they just think they wouldn’t get a conviction because her dropping the charges and any evidence of history of risky role play or something will make the jury lean towards not guilty anyway?
The whole basis of the British constitution and indeed most democracies is innocent until proven guilty.I find the need for a conviction a strange take personally. There are countless cases of people committing a crime and not getting convicted for it. If your whole moral compass is based on complete faith in the justice system, then fair enough, but it's not a stance I can agree with. The audio is there for everyone to hear. Any 'we don't know what happened before/after' is just nonsense. He beat her up. If there was any evidence suggesting it was false allegations/it wasn't him in the audio, it would have come to light a long time ago. She took him back like many domestic abuse victims do. Especially when said person can have a huge influence on your 'status' or 'quality of life'.
He doesn't have to be convicted of a crime to be fired from a job. All of us would be fired if an audio of that came to light and was sent to our employers. Also, if this was Diego Dalot/Harry Maguire/a youth team player, they would be got rid of. They're holding on to him because he is a financial asset. So, now their ethics lie entirely on financial gain which is deplorable for an institution like Manchester United.
I wouldn't care if he was convicted of the crime or not, if City were signing him, I'd be done with attending until he left/the person who made that decision had been forced out.
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